Yes, thank you! Someone else in this thread is actually aware of this issue. If they must make changes to the honor system this is the #1 thing that needs to be addressed.
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I love the changes. Extremely well thought-out and fit perfectly on both seasonal and era. I don’t think anything needs to fundamentally change. It’s well done as is.
One potentially unintended consequence: the honor caps are the same for each faction. Generally, the majority faction has longer battleground queue times than the minority faction. If seasonal servers are imbalanced, like SoM was (SoM was maybe 70% Alliance, 30% Horde), then the 750K honor cap becomes much more difficult for the majority faction.
While I don’t think the PvP system necessarily needs to change to account for this, I do think that this means future seasonal servers will need faction balance changes. Horde are just worse at endgame raiding, especially with no world buffs + harder mechanics.
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To add, most if not all players pursue rank 14 for the prestige and gear. But the nature of the current system in Era also necessitates socializing and working with others. The new system is devoid of needing to work alongside with others and is more of a casual pursuit like reputation. Although the new system would allow more players to get more in-game rewards, it utterly decimates the necessity for players to make friends along the way. And making friends along the way is much more in the spirit of Vanilla Wow than all other factors.
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This is actionable.
This is not actionable. Further, it’s a wPvP objective. Gank the runners and take their dirt if you don’t like it.
This is also not actionable.
They are only ‘bad actors’ if they are RMTing gold. Silithyst has nothing to do with it.
Until Blizzard decides to ban GDKPs, running Silithyst for gold is valid play. Sand Running even has more room for counterplay than the cancer that is GDKP.
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Hopefully, more people will PVP now that there is no decay below certain ranks and you aren’t competing against people on your own server.
Another option will be to make a daily PVP quest for a victory, not 3 marks.
I finally got a chance to read your post. This is, hands down, the best post in this thread and one of the best posts I’ve ever read showing what made the classic ranking system unique and special. Bravo.
I really wish I could put more likes on it, or that it could be pinned to the top.
It is absolutely amazing to see someone who has never even participated in ranking really look into it. You GET IT, others should take your post of an example of what a quality, stand-up person looks like (sadly, I’ve been personally attacked by a few people in this thread just for sharing my story alone, if we shed some of these types from the game and brought in more like you the game would be 100 times better)
Anyway while I doubt that Blizzard will change what they are doing, I just wanted to say thank you and let you know that you are awesome. <3
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This is correct and I thought of this too, HOWEVER, this should remain the same to encourage faction balance.
This is the exact type of carrot and stick that is needed to change one of the biggest problems that WoW has had for its entire run on every version.
So I strongly believe that Blizzard would be wrong to make any changes that would drive faction imbalance, and should instead leave things like this in to drive more of the balance that the game has needed the whole time.
That part is fair enough, seasons could look into changes for horde since it is seasons. The changes to SoM were part of what drove more to roll on the alliance.
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400 HK’s, dozens of WSG wins, still 0 honor gained
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My question is will those who already achieved R14 have access to the new items and highest rank considering within the new system Rank doesnt decay. Or will we have to do the grind on the same character again?
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Maybe you did somewhat what you said, but it’s very clear you’re bending the facts to fit your narrative, which loses you all credibility.
Rank 14 requires(d) 14-16 weeks of playing 15+ hours per day, 7 days a week. No breaks. No days off.
You’re claiming you did it with a full time job, meaning if you’re doing the bare minimum of 15 hours while working 8 hours a day, that’s 1 hour of sleep per day. There’s a reason people go to extreme lengths of account sharing on this grind - it’s much more insane than you’re making it out to be.
Then you claim your partner was OK with your ‘few weeks’ of craziness. Just another blatant misrepresentation. If you did this with a full-time job, then it took you more than the average of 14-16 weeks of someone no-lifing it. You likely spent 5+ months doing it. Great that you have a partner that doesn’t mind you disappearing and being incredibly irresponsible for half a year, that doesn’t make it good.
The old system simply promotes such an unhealthy and antiquated style of gaming it’s ridiculous people are still defending it. The key word is unhealthy. Focus on that and you’ll start to understand why so many of us are happy about this change.
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I DO understand why people are happy with the changes. I’ve said so on repeat.
You just judge me though and don’t really care about what I have to say as long as you can name-call and be nasty to another person whose experiences in the game and in real life you do not know. I’ve never said anything mean about you but in defense, you have shown yourself to have ZERO humanity or open-mindedness back. So the one thing I’ll say is this: You really should work on being a better person yourself, because all that you’ve shown yourself here to be is a close-minded jerk, and I bet if you were better as a human those in your real life would appreciate it.
You’re even making up stuff like this out of the air which wasn’t even accurate for me:
My toons took me WAY less time than that, it was both half the time and 3/4 were, which you ignored, likely due to your preconceived notions, DURING THE COVID LOCKDOWN WHERE PEOPLE COULDN’T DO A LOT OTHER THAN STAY AT HOME. In addition, people on Era have NOT been taking that amount to time to rank and you didn’t seem to notice that part either.
I’m not going to defend myself anymore from the people who have decided to be rude to me, and have shown that they do not listen, on this thread for no reason other than me having a different opinion. This should be a place for just the discussion and replying to these personal, incorrect attacks doesn’t lend to that.
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Loving. Every. Laugh.
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I’m not making anything up. Those are the metrics countless streamers and content creators have taken to achieve it, on average. And I’ve grinded rank 12 myself so I have some limited experience with the start of the insanity.
You, however, just state it took YOU (somehow, magically?) way less time as someone with a full-time job, than those doing it online for everyone to see who literally play the game for a living. Who is making stuff up here?
I get that you enjoyed conspiring with others to cheat everyone else out of honor, and the social networking that created. But grossly misrepresenting how stupidly outdated that grind is to cling on to some weird notion that nothing should ever be changed in a game mode that has proven multiple times over it gets better with small, nuanced changes, is what gets people like myself irritated to make more confrontational posts.
You’re telling me how things went FOR ME, and you are wrong, and I say that, and you don’t want to believe it.
… then you basically say that you have your opinions because you ranked to 12 on one toon at some unknown time and on some unknown server which you won’t say because you are FAR more interested in attacking strangers than sharing anything about yourself.
The only thing outside of that is you put your trust in what “streamers and content creators” told you. People who are only in it or the money, and will make whatever up to sound better on their streams etc. LOL. I’D NEVER in 100,000 years put so much trust in those guys. Your doing so speaks volumes!
Oh, they were almost all on Faerlina too, by the way, all the servers were different, and Era is different. Like you’d know that though. Nope just trust the monetized streamers over a person who simply states they were happy to get the experience they did… because it’s far easier to hate on someone than understand them.
Your only desire is to believe what you want to believe because anything else is too difficult.
You still haven’t apologized for being a jerk over and over, up to attacking my real life, in a way that a quality person wouldn’t do, either.
That’s all that I’m going to say to you.
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…except it’s not taking what they’ve said at face value, it’s watching people do it real time. I have literal proof of concept from content creators who have documented the experience start to finish, and I’m comparing that to some random guy complaining about changes and using this as a means to prop up his point of view.
And what are you on about unknown server unknown time etc. Yes Faerlina was different, this isn’t talking about Faerlina. You bringing this up is just another goal post adjustment to fit how you haaaad to have been able to cut 2+months out of the grind because you did it on a different server and during a different time! Lol.
With all due respect, it seems strange to have PvP testing and Hardcore testing be mutually exclusive. I have zero interest in endgame PvP, but I was quite enjoying the hardcore testing period and even managed to help others track down a bug or two here and there while leveling. Its especially jarring we haven’t been given an estimation of when it’ll be back either. That being said, the PvP changes are a good step in the right direction.
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I know people who did it on whitemane another sweaty chinese server who had FT jobs in the Classic system. The current system isn’t that bad; the only time it becomes a 24/7 sweat grind is when people want to solo and start breaking brackets.
It’s funny the same people complaining about the “bracket mafias” are the same ppl also complaining about the grind. the solution to the grind is the mafia; as long as everyone agrees to not go over the bracket limits they set.
R14s were getting their brackets with only 700K at one point lol (horde side whitemane around 2021). Which is actually easier than the “new” system.
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I’m going to post one screenshot from my lock with the other names blacked out due to the rules of the forums/not wanting to share that, but still showing the top 12. Of course, there’s the typical number duping but that’s just how it went.
Note the following:
#1 This shows almost perfect stacking/people working together as a group.
#2 The honor is 150k lower than 750k - even though the 8 weeks with no derank still makes things slightly better with the new system from a pure numbers perspective.
I still have no clue why I got raked over the coals by that guy. I’ve posted my sometimes unpopular opinions on here, with my little stories, thousands of times in a similar way to this. That’s including talking about ranking and premade vs pugs. I’ve never seen someone go off like that. I can only assume it’s some sort of misdirected anger. I really don’t care what some random with a 12-post history says to say, but it was kind of annoying because I try to be open and understanding to all even when we don’t see eye to eye. Oh well.
Anyway, I once again agree with you Zejung.
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wow 600K for bracket 1. More proof why the pvp system should just stay the way it is. It’s the only “dynamic” thing about this game and actually gives some sort of incentive to play on a lower pop server.
nice some actual receipts kek.
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When era was quiet the cap was 200k for br1.
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