Please address this.
I am happy for coordinated play and encourage people to group up. I don’t care if we get a group of five against us uncoordinated pugs.
But please do something about 10-15 man premades.
They just roll us over and over, it’s a total waste of time and super crushing. Just match them against other premades, please.
Takes the joy out of queueing.
Thank you!
Hasn’t been my personal experience.
Have you tried having a positive attitude, and encouraging your team to win?
Teammates who don’t or won’t try, and give up before even making an effort are the worst things I’ve seen in battlegrounds. That seems to be a minority though, and not present in most games, at least in my personal experience.
That’s okay, you’re part of the winning team. I would be surprised if you lost two matches in a day.
Yes. Every game. It’s tiring. No amount of talking up your team over text chat compares to facing a coordinated team on voice chat, you must know this.
If you mean Horde, then sure.
Since I started logging my BG history for WSG/AB queues, in sets of five, at various times during each day, I have found the win/loss ratio to be close to 50:50.
wait, he might be serious.
i heard solo q’ers do just fine in retail.
classic wasnt designed for the solo anti social player.
And in Classic, too. It’s fine, if you’re just playing BGs for fun or even ranking, but pushing past say rank 10, might really not be fun, if you don’t have a decent premade group to rank with.
they wont i quit classic wow because of premades im back on retail even with corruption the bgs are better.
Reading is hard.
Pug vs. premade isn’t the only “problem”, what about gear disparity? It is an issue that will only get worse. After AQ40 and then Naxx, it will be silly for a new 60 to go into BGs. As someone who got killed repeatedly by The Might Of Menethil while armed with Ice Barbed spear (way back when), it’s pretty disheartening to deal with and it’s COMING!
I am NOT advocating for any changes, because when you start doing changes where do you end them? People NEED to accept what Classic is and what it will never be. What it is today is all it can be.
I used to think about this “problem” a lot. And wondered why the more time and effort you spend PVPing, the better gear you could get. And how sometimes Raiding even becomes necessary to get the best PVP gear.
I think there were some changes in WoD that sort of addressed this, and it was actually a pretty fun, and alt-friendly expansion for PVP, imo. But otherwise, this has literally always be how WoW works.
APEX Legends, an obviously PVP-centric game, has some interesting similarities, though heavily RNG based, as to the loot you get, but having better gear definitely gives advantages over opponents.
What people seem to be asking for is to separate the try-hards from BGs so they can just not do anything useful for their teams, and still somehow get rewarded. Retail has tiers of PVP, and PVE.
I wondered if the people who were complaining about premades in Classic were the same people who would be focusing on regular BGs in Classic as their end game.
I found this interesting.
lack of gear is situational and specific to certain classes and builds.
On my rogue playing any dagger build I do just fine regardless of the gear level as long as I have a slow dagger main hand. On my mage it’s actually kinda hilarious, gear is nice yet again but not actually required if I stay within the group. On my new warrior it’s entirely different, you either have a competitive weapon or you don’t. Plate and health is also super important. All the other classes and builds are probably similar.
Best I can tell most pvp issues go back to xrealm battlegrounds.
These were NOT a thing till 1 month left of vanilla and tbc was coming. The 2 years previous were SOLEY against your own server.
So what did this mean?
AV was NEVER used for ranking. It was hours or days of 1 game, rep grinds etc.
What happened on classic? Became solo Q AV grind, alliance premades zergjng etc etc. Thankfully this was changed.
The ranking system in general? If you only pvp’d with and against your own server you knew exactly who was playing how much on each faction, brackets were set accordingly etc. Now we have people on some servers playing 2-3 days a week tops while others play 7 days just to squeak into bracket 1. Massive imbalance between servers in time invested to achieve rank 14. We are all in the same player pool, some people shouldn’t be required to invest 2-3x more time.
If we are going to pvp with all servers(or all pvp servers or whatever) they should be all lumped into 1 giant player pool as essentially as far as pvp is concerned we are all competing with and against eachother as if it were 1 server.
Lastly the premade problem. Premades always existed, however when you only played against your own server there was typically 1 or a few premades then the rest play solo or small groups. Typically if you solo Q into a premade back then you would hit a pug next as the premade had to wait longer to find a game.
Insert cross faction BGs and there’s no built in wait time for 15 opposing faction to Q up to premades (esp alliance) get instant pops all week. This encourages any type of premade even 15 randoms from chat.
I do recognize with how poorly blizzard rolled out servers, allowed transfers etc that current faction ratios on a lot of servers cannot support server only BGs.
I also recognize that it’s 2020 and some type of “premade safety” could be setup so you don’t face constant 10 or 15 man groups from the same server.
Anyways this post was way too long.
TLDR; cross faction BGs from the onset has screwed up classic pvp. Change my mind.
One of the few who actually get it.
Anyone ranking is doing hundreds of bgs in both premades and as solo queue throughout the week to hit caps. They roll with a premade while their group is on, they roll solo as people start to log out. If some hooligan decides to break caps sunday night and they all see it monday afternoon, it’s time to fire up the solo queue and close the gap.
The reality of premades is that their purpose is to roll PuGs to hit an HPH of 10k+ with very little effort outside of a death ball. In AB, there’s a shred of hope to coordinate a PuG to a 3 cap win if the premade is a bunch of trade chat heroes, but in WSG it’s nearly impossible without incredible luck to land a very sweaty FC druid who just happens to be solo queuing or having a workable team comp in general.
Pugs beat premades all the time. With the PvP ranking system being how it is, premades are really the only way for higher ranking players to efficiently rank up without it consuming EVERY second of their lives. You earn the ability to get in good premades by working hard and getting to a higher rank.