Classic Beta tomorrow. Release 27th August

[Alluringdawn-proudmoore (Alluringdawn)]

Name them.

[Chroesire-bleeding-hollow (Chroesire)]

What I always find interesting about these kinds of threads is the idea behind them; that Classic WoW was somehow more inherently a Role-Playing Game, while Current is not. The perspective that micromanaging attributes, talents, supplies, and even Hunter pets is a superior product.

Yet, from my own perspective as someone who actively engages in the Role-Playing aspect of an MMORPG, I cannot help but feel sorry for every poor soul who’s passions are woefully misplaced. The mechanics behind a game only serve as a vehicle to the actual content of the game; interpersonal communication and shared story-telling.

Classic has this no more than Current does, my dour dove.

/tentacleflip

It’s probably a bit different for people on RP realms… you guys have a very nice built-in reason to interact.

For people who play on PvE or PvP realms, all of the old-style RPG elements serve to slow the game down a bit so everybody isn’t so focused on the carrot that they ignore each other. Without that, most players only do what can be solo’d and treat other players they encounter in queued content as AI bots of sorts.

[Vaniira-illidan (Vaniira)]

They’ve been named COUNTLESS times. Here’s a good write up from Joynal.

"It had been slowly and steadily losing the RP feel over the years as little things that gave the RP feel (like using reagents and ammo) were removed in the name of “QOL”. Then it took a huge leap in losing the RP feel when game play became controlled by the UI map display and menu tables in WoD.

Finished that quest? “Ready for turn in.” instead of "Report your success to NPC Joe in the woods."

Go back to where you met the quest giver. Quest giver doesn’t want anything to do with you or has disappeared.

Where do I turn it in? The quest didn’t say. Look at your map and hope the yellow “?” is displayed in roughly the correct location.

Ready to help out that faction to improve your reputation? They don’t want to talk to you.

Where do I go to have something I can do to earn rep? Look at your map then wander around in random circles at that location until a world quest magically appears on your UI.

Don’t track that world quest though! If you do, you may not have actually been given that world quest by the game yet so when you kill the target you don’t get credit. No choice but to wait around another 5 minutes hoping you get credit when it respawns (and sometimes you don’t on the respawn either). Better to not track that quest and wander around in circles until the game actually gives it to you.

Leading your followers? Stare at a menu instead of talking to them. After all, they don’t really exist, the only thing that exists is an offscreen timer and a dice roll to determine your success.

Ready for a dungeon? Open up the UI and hit “Join a group”. Let the game do the work while you’re AFK tabbed out watching YouTube, Twitch, Hulu, Netflix, etc. instead of seeking out other players yourself.

That’s why the game no longer feels like a RPG even if it meets the technical definition for one. While you might interact with NPCs while doing the few hours of leveling quests, that mostly goes away at level cap and you’re suddenly left playing the Game of UIs."

[Spiçy-area-52 (Spiçy)]

Why are people in here trying to throw shade on other people’s happiness?

If you don’t want to play then don’t play. But don’t try to ruin it for others

[Akston-bloodhoof (Akston)]

That’s not saying a lot though! This game was catered to casuals over the years. And this is what we got

Vanilla WoW was catering to the casuals. It was one of its biggest selling points.

where do you get that idea?
If anything, its gone over to endgame final boss raiders. Blizzard is even removing long-standing items, zones and quests, just to please that 0.01%

How does removing zones/quests please that 0.01%? That makes no sense.

Now look at BFA. There was a ton more content released aimed at “casuals” than the hardcore end game final boss raiders.

[Alfgerdhr-moon-guard]

Because there are a lot more ‘casuals’ than ‘hardcore’?
Ever heard the term 'sell to your custom?"

[Akston-bloodhoof (Akston)]

Why are people in here trying to throw shade on other people’s happiness?

If you don’t want to play then don’t play. But don’t try to ruin it for others

This should obviously be applied to both parties. Getting harder and harder to find a “pro-classic” thread that isn’t based on bashing BFA/Retail WoW.

[Felsavior-zuljin (Felsavior)]

Number of spells does not dictate an mmorpg vs an adventure game.

An RPG is a game where you chose a ROLE to PLAY in a GAME. You still do that in wow, and there are plenty of rpg features.

Customer characters, 36 play styles, plenty of mounts and pets, 7 expansions worth of story on top of the initial game story, they are dabbling in player choice now, multiple different ways to play the game, etc…

I get that you may not like wow in it’s current state, and you don’t think it fits your idea of an RPG. But that doesn’t make you right.

Classic will be the answer for a lot of people, and that’s fine. But it’s not going to be anywhere near as big as you are all hyping it up to be.

[Alfgerdhr-moon-guard]

Bet me
(Bookmarks this post0

[Lucifuge-moon-guard (Lucifuge)]

If you don’t want to play then don’t play. But don’t try to ruin it for others

Indeed love, and it works both ways. There is an unfortunate trend amoung the pro-Classic crowd to throw shade on the happiness of the pro-Current players and try to ruin their happiness as well. A vicious circle of perpetual self-induced victimization.

Alas, we do not yet live in a perfect world.

/tentacleflip

[Akston-bloodhoof (Akston)]

Because there are a lot more ‘casuals’ than ‘hardcore’?
Ever heard the term 'sell to your custom?"

Ok…so is your point they design too much for the end game raiders? (which they don’t)

Or is your point they design more content for the casuals…which there are more of? (which they already do)

[Burkkins-moon-guard]

WoW Classic is that good that it doesn’t need so much advertising like those korean MMOs that no one will really play.

[Alluringdawn-proudmoore (Alluringdawn)]

So what is the RP element in pressing enter and typing in “rogue LFG UBRS have key pst” in LFG channel every few minutes while watching streams on your other screen?

What makes reagents or ammunition an RP element? Because you interact with a vendor periodically?

I’d argue WoD actually had more RP elements in the garrison given that NPCs actively responded to your presence and called you 'commander." And that table was just for your NPC minions that you sent on missions while you did other things in the game.

And end game in old WoW was a lot of sitting around in Iron Forge waiting for groups to form up, then taking the shortest path possible to get to those raids/dungeons.

[Leyami-moon-guard (Leyami)]

Compare BfA and Classic/Vanilla. You’ll see which one has TONS of RPG elements and which one has about 2 or 3.

The city of Boralus, by itself, is a “ton of RPG elements”. So is Dazar’alor for that matter. For the most part, role-playing exists where you make it, and these two cities are just as imaginative as Suramar…though, perhaps not as pretty.

[Spiçy-area-52 (Spiçy)]

I don’t disagree with that. It’s something I catch myself doing from time to time and need to work on it

Maybe it’s because I’m on the outside looking in, but it’s weird watching people talking down about classic. It almost comes across as that they are rooting for its failure. I’m sitting here hoping it’s wildly successful so that BC and wrath servers may one day be a thing

[Burkkins-moon-guard]

The city of Boralus, by itself, is a “ton of RPG elements”. So is Dazar’alor for that matter. For the most part, role-playing exists where you make it, and these two cities are just as imaginative as Suramar…though, perhaps not as pretty.

I love Boralus, but to see people phase away in front of you and call it “RPG”, no.

[Twitchy-sentinels (Twitchy)]

throw shade

haha, throw shade

[Akston-bloodhoof (Akston)]

I don’t disagree with that. It’s something I catch myself doing from time to time and need to work on it

Maybe it’s because I’m on the outside looking in, but it’s weird watching people talking down about classic. It almost comes across as that they are rooting for its failure. I’m sitting here hoping it’s wildly successful so that BC and wrath servers may one day be a thing

I have no issue with people wanting to enjoy Classic. I sincerely hope its as great as they think it will be.

But as an example, like 3 times in the first 10 posts Retail WoW was bashed. This is a sure fire way to put people on the defensive, or to bash back.

I love Boralus, but to see people phase away in front of you and call it “RPG”, no

Can’t find a single definition of “RPG” that has anything to do with phasing.

[Burkkins-moon-guard]

Can’t find a single definition of “RPG” that has anything to do with phasing.

Let’s say you approach someone, and they just phase away into other shard, while you’re trying to take a look at their transmog. That pretty much blows away feel of an RPG game. God forbid you try to speak to them.

[Akston-bloodhoof (Akston)]

Let’s say you approach someone, and they just phase away into other shard, while you’re trying to take a look at their transmog. That pretty much blows away feel of an RPG game. God forbid you try to speak to them

Does this mean all off line games aren’t roleplaying games either, since I can’t look at other people playing the game?