Pretty straight forward. Are we gonna have wow armory for classic characters? If yes, how is that going to be separated from the live armory? I love the armory feature so I think this would be cool.
No one know’s yet but i wouldn’t doubt it, if not by blizzard there will most likely be a third party website for it.
I hope not. Just another hoop people will have to jump through to get a group.
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If Blizzard doesn’t do it, then I can see some third party website trying to make it.
They could offer a very basic armory for Classic that doesn’t provide any more information than what a standard inspect would get you.
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I would accept this.
Hope so, gets kind of annoying having to get people meet at IF bridge or Org bank to inspect their gear.
“I hope not. Just another hoop people will have to jump through to get a group.”
Right… Wanting to know if people are wearing spirit gear as a warrior before you invite them to a dungeon isn’t exactly a hoop but more of a safety net for the rest of the group/raid.
On the one hand, I hope we do - so we can post on our WOW Classic characters, rather than people who want nothing to do with Retail still having to level a Retail Trial character to 10 to post.
On the other hand, most of the other “conveniences” aren’t worth the negative impacts, such as people having their talents or gear criticized, when it has nothing to do with something they post.
I’m not sure where the break point would be - show gear with links, show talents, include a talent calculator - but the Classic dev team is working on the game, not the website, and the website team has way more to concern themselves with than customizing an Armory and making WOW Classic impact decisions.
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Thotbot had a personal armory back in the day. I looked up my 56 rogues gear before it was deleted :(.
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Blizzard is using their modern database structure. It wouldn’t take but a second to attach Classic to this existing armory.
The question is will they.
I guess i’m also curious about the forums. Forums were a massive part of the community with vanilla wow… The armory and the forums kind of go hand in hand.
actually spirit is good for leveling up as it increases your health regen inbetween fights so yea. Yea you don’t take spirit over strength but str/stam/spir gear is literally the best. Less downtime between fights=faster leveling.
There was no such thing in original Classic, so I doubt this would be a good idea for the Classic that’s on the way.
Armory promotes some bad stuff.
Copy Cat gear and talents
Armory link to join group & raid
It’s not authentic
Promotes “META” play mentality (very toxic)
Um, 1 of the ways a lot of people early on found out builds was to copycat the max level chars they found in the cities.
People already inspected you before letting you into raids and some dungeons.
There were armory stuff on thottbot was there not? Is that not authentic enough for you?
There’s going to be a toxic meta no matter what.
Totally going to log out in bad gear to troll gear elitists
Yes we could inspect a player, but we could not see their talent allocation.
Also, inspection in game requires you’re there to see them. This reduces the frequency of the copy cat by a lot because it’s local instead of in a web page.
Copy cats are still going to copy builds, even if they’re limited to finding people in game who will give them their build.
And i’m curious as to why that’s necessarily a bad thing (outside of just outright bad builds). Do you consider webpages like icyveins bad because they give people builds they can “copy”?
Some players will give you their build, others dont; you’re right.
Here’s the rub…
The fact that some will and others don’t is a good thing because that’s fine in game and because of this it’s a component of the community.
If we were to add Armory a non-vanilla feature to Classic WoW, then that community aspect to talking to others to get a build they’re using will be lost because it’s as simple as look it up.
Additionally the in game communication is excellent for the community because you can get more from the helpful player than just the build; you can instead know why they do it, and how it works.
Icy veins has been around forever, so have numerous other guides. These only give you a meta build to play and often they’re mediocre at best.
That all assumes that the player they’re asking isn’t just as mediocre as the online guides as well as playing to a meta themselves. I agree that people should get explanations for the builds they’re asking about but, for me, I’d be more curious to see a person with a build that’s not typical that way I know I can ask them why they chose that rather than asking someone why they didn’t chose it and just getting told it’s not a good talent.
To be fair when it comes to copy cat or cookie cutter builds, sites like Icy Veins are going to be FAR worse than anything an armory could do even if it did show talents. Even if the builds aren’t top notch, it’s still the builds that people are going to use en masse.
Thanks to private servers I can already google “Vanilla WoW guide” and get multiple threads fully explaining my talents, rotation, and pre-raid BiS list.
It’s just the way things are. People are more likely to look up a guide telling them what the best setup is rather than do their own experimentation these days.
Which is partially why I say any Classic armory should not include talents. That lends itself to the mentality of “everybody must use the cookie cutter talents or they’re trash”.
I think this is going to cause a bit of chaos at first since many of those bis guides are not only for perfect racials (matters a lot for melee) but they also use stat weight specific to certain servers. I know weapon expertise is the one that changes the most from private server to private server.
I can see there being massive amounts of misinformation going around for the first month or two before things start to settle down.