Classic about 10x as popular as Retail - numbers

It’s kind of sad that the cancel culture has gotten to the point that people will report posts just because they disagree with those posts, instead of arguing against them. I do think there’s an interesting discussion to be had about the relative popularity of Classic and Retail, so I’ll continue it in a new thread.

I do have to say that I’m skeptical of the previous thread’s numbers, since no specific sources are cited. In addition, it compared “players” with “concurrent players”, which is a very invalid comparison, since the average player only spends a few hours a day playing.

I did find some numbers that are sort of comparable. These numbers are obtained using Retail and Classic variants of the same mod. The results are collected by two different web sides. Classic data is collected at https://wowpop.appspot.com while Retail data is collected at http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php with the following results, at the time I looked at them.

Retail: 778,837 characters found in the past 30 days
Classic: 7,960,237 characters found since launch, which is not quite 30 days

It needs to be kept in mind that these are characters, not players, so the numbers are affected by how many alts players are playing. In addition, there isn’t enough data gathered to provide fully reliable coverage. However, I think we can conclude that there are currently more players playing Classic than Retail, perhaps even ten times more players.

That doesn’t mean that Retail can or should be cancelled, however.

Let’s not forget that BFA had record first day expansion sales. Based on the first month or two, it looked like it was a huge success. It’s quite clear, though, that BFA didn’t age that well, with a substantial dropoff in subscribers over time.

Now, a month into Classic, Classic looks like a huge success, too. What we don’t know is how long that success will be sustained. Will there never be a dropoff? Will the dropoff be even faster than BFA? We don’t yet know.

If I were to guess, I’d guess that Classic play will start dropping off when large numbers of people reach 60, 3-6 months from launch. Most players never raided seriously in Vanilla; Classic is likely to be like Vanilla in that regard. Most players started getting frustrated with PVP in Vanilla when they hit 60, and raiding became necessary to get competitive PVP gear.

At that point, Blizzard can either try to funnel Classic players to Retail, or they can build on the Classic success. Personally I think the high preference for Classic suggests that the accumulated changes that became retail got more wrong than right, so it would be easier to take the few improvements in Retail - easier raiding access, Conquest from world PVP assaults for PVP gearing, maybe - and use those to build on Classic than to figure out what to use from Classic to do the major surgery Retail requires.

Either way, let’s hope that Blizzard takes the best from both worlds for their future path forward, and that they avoid taking the worst from both worlds this time around.

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It’s kind of sad that the cancel culture has gotten to the point that people will report posts just because they disagree with those posts

It is, but society enables it, so the easily offended will continue to do it.

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I haven’t logged into Retail in a while because I’ve done most of the content already. This doesn’t mean that I’m not going to log into retail on Tuesday to play the content of the new patch.

Classic is “New” content. It’s something to do while a lot of us wait for Retail to update. These numbers are kind of skewed because of that.

Also these numbers are far from official.

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How long the trend will last, that’s the question

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Is that the new thing?

First I remember seeing the same old, “only a small amount will play classic. It’s just nostalgia”

Then it became, “it’s just a bunch of tourists.”

Now it’s, “it’s just people waiting for retail updates.”

It’s a fun ride. WEEeeeeeee

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Most people who “don’t like Retail” and “don’t like Classic” are currently playing the very game they pretend to dislike. It is pretense, because they’re paying a sub to post it here.

That alone is evidence that vocal minorities are full of crap.

It’s been this way ever since Vanilla, people who swear up and down they don’t like Blizzard, they’re “sick of this” etc etc.

Yet, despite all the whining, they often didn’t drop their sub, or if they did, it was temporary.

How many who said they were “done” who are back? Millions. Literal millions of people, who are paying for a BFA sub whether they want to or not, to play Classic. All of them a temporary absence.

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What?

I’m speaking of my own personal experience and I’m positive that I’m not the only person who will be actively playing both versions of the game.

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Shocking insight batman.

You said a lot of people are doing it. Soooo, based on what? Conjecture? Anecdotal evidence of no one but yourself?

Yeah, no

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“found” is the key word, Those sites are based on data from addons that if they are not run on all servers all the time there is data for large gaps of time when people are on.
Don’t worry about population numbers, the only concern you should have is ‘are you enjoying the game enough (retail and/or classic) to get your $15 a month worth’

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It’ll last for me, at least. I’ll play classic (or TBC) by myself if it comes to it.

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Based on my entire guild?

Why are you so sensitive about this? I honestly don’t care which game is perceived as being “better”. I was just saying that it’s obvious that Classic has the higher population now because it’s ‘new’.

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I absolutely disagree. I think a lot more players will see the inside of at least one raid, and probably two. Molten Core has proven itself to be very doable even for lesser skilled pugs that aren’t even 60. BWL might be less forgiving, but ZG will be out at the same time and I can see this being as puggable as MC.

I have a tendency to criticize BS and declarations made from anecdotal evidence. Which I think your claim is the former.

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The pvp is why I came back. No arena and world pvp back in the world. That’s my kind of Battle for Azeroth.

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It is a lot more fun when PvP is back to being about zergs and numbers than skill.

Been enjoying it.

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You do you my man.

But, don’t most those players pay the same $14.99 a month?

Or you can just show something tangible that a lot of the players playing are only doing so because they’re waiting for a retail update.

I mean just use some critical thinking.

Hopefully that’s not asking too much.