but its not fun in pvp to vs a guardian druid
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More dh nerfs, a great way to get them out of the game altogether
The issue here is healers which this also negatively effects, they are already too weak this expansion as m+ will soon show people. Especially non Druids/Preservation healers. Blizz stating their goal of tanks being more reliant on healer babysitting again doesn’t mesh with all the other changes that also made healers jobs way harder.
IE the 40% hp and dmg increase (with no buffs to healing spells), the far, far more rot/group damage going out in Dragonflight dungeons making healing the group a lot more intensive, the return of Tryannical Grievous combo (vomit), higher m+ key scaling and now these nerfs to DPS specs’ healing too… It’s just way too much in combo with these tank nerfs and is going to make healers miserable.
It felt like blizz made tanks intentionally self reliant, not needing their healer much as compensation for all these other changes making healing harder and more emphasis on keeping the group alive, now they’re stating their intentions otherwise… Something has to give here because there’s just going to be way too much on the healer’s plate.
I predict you are going to see a lot of flamed healers in the coming weeks. M+ keys will be full of wipes and deaths killing the timer rather than dps/route optimizations and a lot of stressed out healers quitting the role, resulting in longer queue times for everyone. It’s a video game and everyone wants to feel powerful, I can say from beta + these changes combined healers are not going to feel powerful at all, they are going to be VERY stressed and that’s n ot good for the game.
Blizz needs to buff healers asap to compensate, in both HPS and passive dps (since we have to spend a lot more time healing this expansion). And they need to balance them because Druids and Preservation are way ahead in dungeon healing and damage right now. Also this nerf needs to be reversed on BRM, they were already squishier and healer reliant compared to other tanks.
PS- They need to have separate posts/threads for PvE and PvP changes… a lot of the people actually supporting this change in this thread are PvPers, which is understandable they don’t want to face unkillable tanks in PvP. However that’s muddying the discussion having people arguing for two completely different games basically, PvE and PvP have vastly different metas and needs.
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This effectively buffed warriors comparatively to their other tank counterparts because they weren’t using defensive stance. Brewmaster was in need of higher damage reduction tbh OR a self-healing buff (gift of the ox does not cut it). Really bizarre changes.
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This sounds extremely unlikely but I’ll take your word for it. Regardless I am positive that it is not normal, and Blizz should not be trying to make corrections across the board for a scenario like this.
Possible/sort of silver lining for healers: Hopefully the grief they get from dps saying then need to do the same will die off as they will be focusing more on keeping the tank alive. (That is based on logic, reality however, unlikely)
good job blizzard feels like you dont play ur own game, BRM already feels like paper and you do something like this instead of nerfing the tanks that needed to be nerfed what a joke.
Also this buffs prot warrior instead of nerfing it cuz 90% of the time you dont stay in def stance, yikes…
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No one likes when DPS are basically casting lay on hands on themselves every 30 seconds.
No one.
These changes were 100% needed.
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what tank spec? if it was prot warrior, this isn’t surprising in the slightest.
yeah this is baffling. people are watching prot warrior and vdh solo m0s (which are tuned so low that at 350 you already outgear them) and saying “yes, brewmaster doesn’t take enough damage”. and the extra funny thing is that this is a very low impact nerf for prot warrior!
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Hoping this doesn’t impact high key progression and I am a bit more hesitant to level my tanks now… This also may nerf some tank placements in meta tier lists to have unfortunate consequences. I hope you guys will be quick to rollback if it heavily unfavors certain tanks. As not all tanks are equal right now.
Just saying. Last time you guys nerfed tank threat at the start of shadowlands and that didn’t go so well later until they rebuffed them. The higher scaling also may make this a bad decision down the line.
Great changes.
Also evil laugh in fire mage
Buff fel
Barrage
Also stop the cap. Revert all these changes.
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They needed this nerf and to be quite frank with you?
This nerf isnt enough.
Ive seen tanks almost solo all of a mythic 0
Specifically a blood dk.
This is good news for PvP. Tired of seeing 5ish people trying to take down a single bear
My raid lead is a blood dk and he knows how to play it.
He essentially solos mythic 0 dungeons just about. This nerf needed to happen.
The healer didnt need to heal him at all.
STOP THE COUNT - DHs
“What we are seeing, is perhaps the greatest heist, in history. They are stealing the millions of leeched hp from you, the DH people. We’re not gonna let them get away with it- oh no, we aren’t gonna do that…pauses for applause I’m talking with the people, the good people, about what we can do to fight back against this fraud, committed against you, the DH people.”
You should pull another never mind just kidding move. Last one went over real well.
I promise you your blood dk raid lead doesn’t know how to play. Stop the cap.
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I would like a link to this evidence,so far it is only hearsay.