Class Tuning Incoming – June 6

[Mèsar-jubeithos]

oi lazy blue. go play the game yeh ?

[Valerrie-thrall]

Also still nothing about dks facing the same issue that mages got reworked for… lol

[Ellorà-senjin]

@Kaivax

Druid

• Feral
• Developers’ notes: The following set bonus changes will increase the average number of stacks of the (2) Set Bonus and cause the (4) Set Bonus to trigger less often, but provide more Agility when it does.
  • Aberrus (2) Set Bonus: Chance for Shadows of the Predator stacks to reset reduced by 15%.
  • Aberrus (4) Set Bonus: Now increases Agility by 8% (was 5%).

Why do you hate Feral so much? We need single target buffs, not a marginal change to our terrible tier. Is this even a buff? Just by looking at it, it seem like a net 0 gain.

[Mustachio-eredar]

All damage abilities increased by 8%.

Really? How is that “balancing”?

[Kanaman-stormrage]

No WW monk ST improvements?

[Psyshadow-stormrage]

Seriously? No disc buffs? Am I being trolled?

[Redhotbunny-sargeras]

Buff Port warrior but Guardian Druid no change?

[Brocknor-hellscream (Brocknor)]

@Kiofea-illidan

I’m getting MORE buffs?

Our ST damage is like… 2nd-from-last, if you haven’t noticed.

[Daarrk-stormrage-415498]

@Kaivax

Hunter

• Beast Mastery
  • All damage dealt by you and your pet’s abilities increased by 5%.

Any chance some of the talent costs could be evaluated? So many things are 2 or 3 points that could be reduced and let bm access other talents that would round out the rotation and give more options in build.

Instead of forcing full commits to St or AoE in ways other classes/ specs don’t have too.

Thank you, have a great weekened.

[Hentry-sargeras]

• Developers’ notes: The high frequency of Amplify Curse has been problematic in PvP combat, so its cooldown has been increased. These changes are also noted in the PvP section below.

  • The cooldown of Amplify Curse is now 60 seconds (was 30 seconds).

  • Teachings of the Satyr now reduces the cooldown of Amplify Curse by 15 seconds (was 10 seconds).

any particular reason why this change is listed for PvE when its clearly aimed at only PVP?

[Grumfrumli-stormrage]

I’m happy BM is recognized as being under tuned. I do not believe 5% is sufficient to make a long term impact on some of the numbers though. We likely need another 5% added onto that to be very competitive. Hunter in general though is in a bad spot. The class needs a good rework to include great survivability and actual raid wide abilities that incentivize taking us. Thank you, please watch the performance a bit more and give the care needed to tuning quickly and methodically so we don’t feel the impact as much as when you nerfed us to the ground with the bow.

[Loldead-moonrunner]

@Kaivax

Shadowstrike and Backstab damage from Weaponmaster is now 50% effective in PvP combat.

This is the only thing I take issue with regarding rogue, it’s going to hurt the sustain not the burst. Leave Backstab/Gloomblade out of the list.

Also seems weird that you’re nerfing something by 50% that doesn’t occur too often in arena to start with.

Or just buff Backstab base dmg.

Also RE DK in pvp, are you kidding? No buffs?

Give Unholy its 8% necrotic back so they can have actual pressure and not rely on the charity of Arms Warriors thanks.

[Moritz-proudmoore]

@Kaivax

Warlock

• Developers’ notes: The high frequency of Amplify Curse has been problematic in PvP combat, so its cooldown has been increased. These changes are also noted in the PvP section below.
  • The cooldown of Amplify Curse is now 60 seconds (was 30 seconds).
  • Teachings of the Satyr now reduces the cooldown of Amplify Curse by 15 seconds (was 10 seconds).

I dont care about amplify curse so im not affected by this at all.
But i really really wish you would stop making pve changes based on what happens in pvp.
Pvp has its own tuning. Its just unnecessary.

[Malgorok-zuljin]

Well at least blizzard remembered DKs exist

Didn’t really do much, but they remember they exist

[Kampuuon-sargeras]

another worthless aff buff

give them a mortal strike or remove cd on soul swap you monkeys

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Valerrie-thrall

Wait wait wait… you say prot warriors arent performing as well as you want but theyre doing more dmg than blood and brewmasters right now. Yet you give prot an insane more buffs and attention lol what a joke. You give prot a similar 8% buff as blood then buff a bunch of other things

Yeah I was reading the blue post and everything seemed reasonable up until the Prot Warrior section at the bottom, almost spit out my coffee then.

Bottom tanks in keys are either Brewmaster or Guardian, depending on what bracket you’re looking at. Meanwhile there are twice as many Prot Warriors in Mythic raiding as there are Guardian Druids.

I guess Blizzard goal is for Prot to be as dominant as it was at the start of the expansion?

[Eternosus-galakrond (Eternosus)]

@Kaivax

As we continue to monitor class performance in instanced group content as well as PvP,

sits in the open world wondering what I’m supposed to feel here

( Just kidding, I’m fine - and thanks for the buff )

[Madmargret-bleeding-hollow (Madmargret)]

@Kaivax

• Marksmanship
• Developers’ notes: Marksmanship Hunters have been underperforming in different forms of PvP content.
• Aimed Shot damage increased by 25% in PvP combat (was 15%).
• Rapid Fire damage increased by 25% in PvP combat (was 15%).
• Arcane Shot damage increased by 25% in PvP combat (was 16%).

This is awesome. Gonna be lotsa weaping and gnashing of teeth.

@Kaivax

Developers’ notes: Balance Druids have been overperforming due to their ability to generate so much Astral Power and deal high damage by applying dots and casting Starfall repeatedly. We’d like to reduce the effectiveness of that playstyle since it’s difficult for opponents to stop. Goldrinn’s Fang also became much more effective in Embers of Neltharion, and includes some randomness and ability to score kills unexpectedly. Finally, Owlkin Adept has been a locked-in talent for a while now and has been propping up their control a bit more than we’re comfortable with.

SO basically boomy gonna be rendered useless cuz other specs have better AOE.

@Kaivax

• Fire
• Developers’ notes: Glass Cannon is intended to have high risk and high reward with its gameplay, and we feel the risk is too low for the benefit it provides, especially when paired with Flamecannon.
• Glass Cannon now decreases maximum health by 20% (was 15%)
• Flamecannon now increases maximum health by 2% per stack (was 3%).

Gonna see lotsa mo fire mages

@Kaivax

• Enhancement
• Developers’ notes: There are a few talents that are leading to fast kills that can feel unfair when facing an Enhancement Shaman. We’re aiming to bring down the burst potential from cooldowns and increase sustained DPS.
• Forceful Winds is now 75% effective in PvP Combat.
• The damage increase to Lava Lash from Ashen Catalyst is now 33% effective in PvP combat.
• Lava Lash now deals 35% increased damage in PvP combat (was 15%).
• The Physical damage increase from Feral Spirit is now 33% effective in PvP combat.
• The Fire, Frost, and Lightning damage increase from Elemental Spirits is now 50% effective in PvP combat.
• Stormstrike now deals 75% increased damage in PvP combat (was 50%).
• Windstrike now deals 75% increased damage in PvP combat (was 50%).

Welcome my new pvp over lords the ENhance shammy.

@Kaivax

Developers’ notes: Destruction’s sustained DPS has been high and we feel this is mainly due to Shadowburn’s high multiplier. We would like for instant casts to be strong but not be the primary way to land kills.

• Conflagration damage is now reduced by 15% in PvP combat (was 9%).
• Shadowburn damage is now increased by 15% in PvP combat (was 45%).

Peeps just gonna re roll to AFF and demo now. I know I will

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

I love these threads.

Every class and spec comes in to talk about how their spec is the worst in the game it’s awesome.

So far per this thread enhance, WW, assassination, and feral all simultaneously have the “worst” ST damage and are bad specs.

[Uwubear-stormrage]

@Kaivax

Monk

• Brewmaster
  • All ability damage increased by 3%.
  • Rising Sun Kick damage increased by 10%.
  • Blackout Kick damage increased by 30%.
  • Tiger Palm damage increased by 30%.
• Mistweaver
  • All healing abilities increased by 3%. This does not apply to PvP Combat.

FORGETTING. ANOTHER. MONK. SPEC. AGAIN. JFC.

Literally at the point where top 50 world WWs getting benched “because it’s a class thing”, and the spec hasn’t seen a drop of info since lackluster buffs the week before Aberrus. We absolutely love playing in the 95+ percentile and warlocks that died mid fight are only 1-2k below us.

Devs genuinely just trolling at this point