Class Tuning Incoming – June 27

[Zerkules-frostmane]

dont be like this im gunna have to revoke your fury pass

[Ixenn-area-52]

@Kaivax

Developers’ notes: We’re targeting the defensive power of Demonology with these changes as they are often a difficult target to take down relative to other DPS specs. We’re also lowering the healing from Mortal Coil to lower overall self-healing from Warlocks in PvP.

Translation: We would prefer it if you didn’t play Demonology.

Destruction Warlock reporting for Duty.

[Chillproof-moon-guard]

Demo is being forced to turret more and having their defensives nerfed. Can’t have casters being anything more than player-controlled target dummies in pvp, or the melee brains might riot.

[Vardell-moon-guard]

When the “tanky” caster gets nerfed for being tanky.

[Bomdia-area-52]

even a blind man can see what the “person/team responsible for balance pretends it doesn’t exist” imagine getting fired and looking for a new job and then telling ppl you were the one balancing tanks but only had a 50% difference in damage and survivability, you gotta buff DK base armor too, they can’t keep up with other tanks or with their blocks, ironfur, or - damage in marks , jezzzzzz devs, play the game or watch different twitch streamers, hell even go check tank stats on raider.io, just do something ffs

Give back DK’s their aura why is it fine to have more than 1 paly now to have devo and ret aura? That’s the same very own reason why dk’s lost raid wide aura presence, give it back so ppl actually invite a dk for something for a change, can even be the same buff as paly but don’t stack one another…

Rashok mythic is a great place to look for damage taken, unholy dk’s just rot there, same for holy priest, while Sanctified plates “new talent” ppl are just passing by lava waves because they take 50% less damage than others, its blatant obvious this is not even being noticed.

A shame to see dk’s like this, won’t even go on festering wounds sitting on target a 20 years design that was removed from other classes.

[Tekemseh-illidan]

Mage is about to be God tier in 10.1.5.

[Ragman-blackwater-raiders (Ragman)]

So whats the point of buffing classes this close to a patch which is just going to nerf, buff and redesign classes and specs…

[Azråel-jubeithos]

Next patch - nerf because blues have no idea what they are doing… then week after they will buff 1% thinking they actually lol did something…

[Vulkain-dalaran]

Good, because pro-bowler tier is getting old.

[Anthyrsia-zuljin]

@Kaivax

The cast time on Cyclone is too fast for enemy players to deal with

Yeah 1 seconds casting time it’s rediculously to fast to deal with that finaly that being addressed

[Sapandtap-cenarius]

@Kaivax

Demon Hunter

• Havoc
  • Chaos Strike/Annihilation damage increased by 15%.
  • Melee autoattack damage increased by 15%.
  • Demon Blades damage increased by 15%.
  • Demon’s Bite damage increased by 15%.
  • Felblade damage increased by 15%.

Thanks for the buff, but it still feels disheartening. This was nearly the same buff at the start of this season and Havoc DH was performing 4th from last on Single Target bosses. Receiving the same buffs tells me you’re struggling to figure out how to buff our Single Target damage and with other classes receiving decent aura buffs to all their damage, we’re still going to struggle in ST.

I was hoping some talents would be buffed or improved upon such as buffing first blood, trail of ruin, Shattered Destiny or Cycle of Hatred (I think Cycle of Hatred is a bad talent, but buffing this or SD for now would help our ST)

Demon Blades, Demon’s Bite, and Fel Blade - we don’t use this in our primary raid builds even after the buffs, you aren’t going to cast fel blade unless you got knocked 40 yards away and need to quickly get back to the boss (approx 1 cast in 5 minutes on a boss fight).

Combine all this with 4 weeks and counting bugs, bad talent interactions (Fodder + Isolated Prey), Fel Rushing every 6-7 seconds in a 5 minute boss fight, it just feels bad man.

TLDR Thanks, but it’s not enough. Hoping for changes to talents, maybe a refresh/revisit to our talent trees.

[Majesticar-moon-guard]

Disc damage buffs?

I will NOT complain, but I do feel like Disc is in such a solid spot already, personally. As a healer, I can already solo DPS that fail to apply a certain amount of pressure via damage/CC.

Just don’t overdo it and then overcompensate with wild changes later, PRETTY PLEASE.

[Kitanana-sargeras (Kitanana)]

@Emmery-malganis

in pvp, like 8% of the player base cares about pvp. comprehension must be tough.

you were crying for them to fix disc its fine you never said for pve or for pvp you were crying in general but ok

@Majesticar-moon-guard

Disc damage buffs?

I will NOT complain, but I do feel like Disc is in such a solid spot already, personally. As a healer, I can already solo DPS that fail to apply a certain amount of pressure via damage/CC.

Just don’t overdo it and then overcompensate with wild changes later, PRETTY PLEASE.

interesting how you say this but yet this person can say this

@Emmery-malganis

Fix discipline you massive cowards.

@Kaivax

Developers’ notes: Discipline damage and Atonement healing continues to be lower than we’d like in PvP, so we’re increasing them to allow Discipline to be more offensive.

• All damage increased by 10% in PvP combat.
• Atonement healing is now increased by 70% in PvP combat (was 50%).

yes somehow its me that cant read, like you literally never said what part of the game you wanted them to fix disc for pve ? pvp ? like christ .

[Kitanana-sargeras (Kitanana)]

@Keydeath-faerlina

@Kaivax

Hunter

• Beast Mastery
  • Kill Shot damage increased by 10%. This does not apply to PvP combat.

Is this a bad Joke right??

right like what about our other spells that need buffs ? like and why cant it be for pvp MM gets all kinds of dmg buffs for pvp . theres a reason why most hunters are MM over BM or surv in pvp .

[Chenikah-wyrmrest-accord]

I don’t mind class imbalance. It’s a losing war trying to fine tune class balance. It is a total waste of life and resources to detail balance classes. The problem with WoW is the content is tuned as if there is detailed balance, when there is not. People should be allowed to suck, people should be allowed to play nonsense builds, people should be allowed to play off meta specs. The path to achieving this is reducing the hard gating in the reward structure. Pushing difficulty should adjust your progression rate and profitability, not unlock hard progression tiers. WoW’s reward structure creates a caste system of psychologies and ability level. It’s ethically wrong, and done in bad faith.

[Majesticar-moon-guard]

I am not perfect and I’ve done my fair share of whining and complaining about this and that across everything under Azeroth’s sun.

But Discipline Priest is absolutely a blast to play. I regret not playing one expansions ago.

I am a humble 1450 in RSS, so maybe way higher in Arena we are trash or something (I am very skeptical of that) - but I know what I did wrong/could have done different in the matches I lose.

I currently don’t even have my Precog because I’ve been lazy. But whether it is questing, dungeoning, raiding, or PvPing - I feel strong and in control of the situation. AND the Disc spec is so versatile you can have a “healer” & “damage” spec for all of these activities.

So yeah I have to RESPECTFULLY label any Disc grievances as a skill issue.

[Kitanana-sargeras (Kitanana)]

@Majesticar-moon-guard

So yeah I have to RESPECTFULLY label any Disc grievances as a skill issue.

same here i believe disc is fine

[Warbtrippin-tichondrius]

@Kaivax

Developers’ notes: Shadow has been overperforming in AoE environments. We’re bringing down some of its sources of AoE and increasing the damage of some direct damage to offset this in single target.

• Mind Blast damage increased by 10%.
• Shadow Word: Death damage increased by 10%.
• Mind Spike: Insanity damage increased by 10%.
• Mind Spike damage increased by 10%.
• Mind Flay: Insanity damage increased by 10%.
• Mind Flay damage increased by 10%.
• Void Bolt damage increased by 10%.
• Void Spike damage from Idol of Yogg-Saron reduced by 35%.
• Psychic Link now causes direct damage spells to inflict 25% of their damage onto all other targets with Vampiric Touch (was 30%).

SPriest don’t need these DMG buffs in PVP.

[Whelptress-sargeras]

The new master shapeshifter looks like itd be really nice for resto druid as just a standard talent either in the upper/mid class tree or in the general as a choice againt heart since its pretty underwhelming right now. Being so dependant on gear and mana potions wasnt fun early on in the expansion and having tools in the class kit to solve thay would be a win.

[Gooberina-bloodhoof]

@Netherdeath-hyjal

Holy priest dmg buffs are confusing, sure on WCL stats and maybe meters they look low,

Biggest reason they are low is because our aoe dps choice shares a branch with a pretty decent healing choice almost at the end of our tree. More often than not on keys 20+ I choose healing and it absolutely tanks my dps.

It is getting changed in .5 so that is pretty sweet.