Class Tuning Incoming – December 17

Class discords are not the font of knowledge people seem to think they are. It doesn’t take any special qualification to jump in there and drop some BS about what you ‘think’ is good or bad lol

Healer druids also deserve love just like feral druids.

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For a long time, Blizzard would neglect Disc Priests in M+ because they were doing great in raids. Then they decided to tune their atonement seperately.

I know that Brewmaster is not that good in raids, but I think that Blizzard is afraid to buff their stagger there. If thats the case then they just need to buff their stagger in M+ or something.

play disc or

You’ve got to be freaking kidding me, why are you buffing BM in PvP? Why!?

This is absolutely mind blowing, why are you not NERFING IT!?

Please at least research the spell before crying about it.
Black Powder is a buff to Beast Cleave.
Beast Cleave is a talent that you do not take in PVP.

Sure, BC is active during COTW. But some extra AOE damage on Black Arrow isn’t going to change anything there.

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Please refer to my second paragraph for why I’m upset.

BM is ruining the entire game mode.

Who said anything about stagger? Brewmaster needs all sorts of fixes, from its clunky and bloated rotation to its complete lack of utility in its spec tree (Brewmaster has ZERO utility in its spec tree).

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Someone at blizzard really really dislikes demon hunters.

I see Retribution Paladins have been left alone for now. This is acceptable. Thank you, Blizzard.

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To be fair most people dislike dh :joy:

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Hey Kaivax,

I wanted to chime in on behalf of marks hunter PvP. I’m not a perennial R1 gladiator, but i’ve been around for a while and usually make my way up into high duelist most seasons on hunter, so take the feedback for what it’s worth knowing my purview.

I’m concerned about the health of the spec in pvp going forward for the rest of the expansion. Most notably, I feel like withering fire is an extremely unhealthy mechanic for the game, and it’s going to make MM impossible to balance as long as it exists. Basically, marks is going to remain bad/underused until this slow buff creep crosses a threshold, at which point things will start getting randomly insta-globalled when withering fire procs on your first casts in trueshot.

Withering fire functioning as it does is simply too erratic and random to be a major burst mechanic for marks. When base rf/aimed/ba damage is high enough to make the spec worth playing, you’re going to encounter oneshot scenarios in withering fire. Base damage being low enough to where that does not happen renders marks unusable, as you can tell from logs/stats since the new dark ranger came out.

You also cannot fix this problem simply by tuning base marks dam up and withering fire down. WF auto-sends your black arrow procs for you, so under that hypothetical scenario with further buffed base marks damage, you’ll see players either skipping the capstone talent altogether in order to cast unnerfed black arrows during trueshot, or you’ll see people swap over to sentinel to take advantage of further modifiers on would-be-then buffed base marks dam. Base marks damage is already higher than pre-patch as sentinel right now because of the most recent base increases to aimed and rapidfire. So with both of those conditions known, you really can’t just buff base marks damage any more, either.

My suggestion is to replace withering fire, and a handful of other poor choice nodes for marks. Give it hunter modifiers as a choice node against hounds, since hounds is so much better for BM. Swap BM and marks values for bleak arrows proc chance. Convert withering fire back to a version similar to old withering fire, where targets with the black arrow dot take extra damage from the hunter. This way, you’ll have base modifiers on both hero trees to make tuning more consistent and more healthy burst mechanisms on dark ranger while still preserving the major thematic point of the new hero tree.

Thanks for reading and merry christmas :slight_smile:

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Bleak powder procs hit harder for BM than black arrow does. It’s already kind of egregious that BM gets full benefit of its spec tree killshot modifiers at all times just by having rotational pets out, and that same spec tree modifier makes all of your black arrows cleave to 4 extra targets (meaning that during burst, you’re proccing multiple bleak powders on everything in range). The one thing BM absolutely does not need is even more random cleave damage during its big go. Hunter’s prey nerf should have not messed with damage % but instead subtracted the cleave component for BM.

Edit:
I think bleak powder damage is actually gonna be the same. There is apparently an undocumented bug fix, where BP was double dipping with some talents. Fixing those bugs was approximately -40% damage to BP, hence the buff. The more ya know!

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Yup. The best thing that can happen to us is to stay off of Blizzard’s radar.

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Just putting this out there that they are fixing a bug with Bleak Powder causing it to be 40% weaker with the patch. So they will be buffing it to be equal to what it is now.

might need more, but this is a good start!

Can you buff boomy survivability in raid? Having to hit bear doesn’t feel good even with Fluid Form.

some how fury got a buff haha, crazy how they still havent put in place a way to stop premades in bgs… its such a simple fix dear lord

To be fair they can’t fix DH problems without redesigning the class entirely. It was built with artifacts in mind, and has limped on ever since they were disabled. This was no more evident than when they redid talents and to fill ours out, they had to break abilities we already had into various talent nodes just to have something other than a straight line for our handful of abilities.

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I look for positive druid changes for ALL specs and it’s always nil.

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