I mean like I said before and that’s also on pure ST
yeah you are still missing the point of havoc dealing no damage on it’s own. At least that ability works in AoE too. UNLIKE HAVOC. What don’t you understand about what i said that it’s not okay for havoc to be tuned so poorly in it’s baseline kit? that we rely so heavily on a covenant dot that without it we do zero damage? which translates to havoc (a cleave spec) no doing any cleave damage.
Seriously, what are you not understanding?
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your covenant ability is part of your kit same as your magic debuff. Yea it might be a problem next expan but for now that’s how it works and they aren’t gonna change the gameplay of something like that at the end of the expac. The best you can get is a 5% buff or about. Which they already did many time this expan as they’re lost on balancing dh.
okay…and monk out here with phsyical debuff doing absurd AoE and the same ST as havoc. Monk at least even before it’s ST buffs had a niche, which was AoE. Havoc lost it’s niche coming into SL and the community has spoken about it at length since the SL prepatch dropped with literally no fixes but minor aura buffs which DON’T FIX our problems.
our 5% magic buff is useless if we don’t do any damage ourselves. like okay sure bring a 5% buff, but you could just bring ANY OTHER class and make up for that 5% plus an additional 10-20% and that’s just if you aren’t currently META for AoE and keys.
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monk should get nerf, I agree.
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no, they shouldn’t. havoc needs fixes period. i don’t advocate for other classes nerfs, just havocs very much needed buffs.
We don’t need to be OP. just able to stand on our own two feet without a covenant dot. Like seriously, all the community wants is to be able to press buttons and deal damage outside of a 3.5 minute CD because our 4pc does nothing but take 30 seconds off a 4 minute cooldown.
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Dk dps is played 3 times less than dhs in keys over +25, dh is like 5th for m+ melee dps. They’re doing fine. My friend dh also hate the playstyle but that doesn’t stop him from doing 20k dps in keys.
you forget the part that havoc isn’t brought for it’s damage, it’s brought for 5% and it’s cc capabilities and another melee kick. You also forget that just because it’s brought to high keys, doesn’t mean that it’s okay.
also i’m not comparing this class to DK, or any other class. the post was never about that. You are the one turning it around on “but muh class”. Post wasn’t about your class, it’s about my class, i’m not comparing DH to your class, i’m noting my classes problems.
Dunno why you feel the need to speak on something you clearly know nothing about.
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This 1000 times. It’s embarrassing and frustrating it took Blizz so long to address huge issues that were COMPLETELY obvious months ago.
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Buff affliction more, what is this insult?
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Which is okay, some people are better at utility than dps.
Ret and feral have way bigger problems, dh problems are first world problems.
feral and ret both do more AoE than havoc right now
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Havoc AoE from a 25 Halls I did…again, not okay. if you compare that to the PURE SINGLE TARGET breakdown…they’re identical
Pure ST
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Are you two gonna kiss or what?
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You’re not invited if that was the question.
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Those are more interesting patch notes. I would like changes to every spec in the game and most of them adjusting talents nobody takes or buffing legendaries nobody uses etc…
The meta has become very stale and they should try to give players a reason to log on and see what’s new!
The current devs just like to make things so boring with keeping dead builds dead the entire expansion and then releasing terrible patch notes every few months
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If they aura nerf destro it’s gonna do healer damage once the 4pc is taken away, that’s not a great solution. They needed to do something about the set bonus, but the timing is incredibly suspect.
Yet boomkin remains dead last
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Just remove the AoE cap! Destro won’t outshine anymore, everyone wins and gets to have some fun!
The only reason I geared up a lock was to just have fun with it in keys! Now just going to go gear up a Surv Hunter.
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