Creating a dedicated post for this to hopefully save frost for the remainder of the raid tier
This is step in the right direction for m+, but unfortunately this is not enough to help Frost in raid (it’s also very statistically insignificant overall by any numerical standard). Its 2T niche has been largely lost, and it’s not great in ST. Intraclass balance matters too, and Arcane’s 2T is too strong to consider going frost (Arcane should not have this niche,d 2T should be a weak point given the rest of its kit) on the fights that you would think you would such as Twin Fangs and Coiled Altar.
Also, ray is not enough of a moment anymore especially for Frostfire, most talent builds are not even taking the Apex talent.
I’d recommend a reversion to the cleave nerfs and a buff to Ray of frost via the Apex talent overall and it’ll be in a great spot!
A 10% buff to Blizzard is either a 0% buff, because most people weren’t even using it, or a sub 1% buff, since Blizzard with Freezing rain is like 6-8% overall.
Unclear how good Frostbite will be but it’s target capped so… probably not an amazing change.
Bubble back to what we already had? Great.
Frostfire buff just forces more red magic into my blue spec.
Dislike.
What we need is a redesign of Blizzard to provide Freezing stacks.
And obviously losing to Arcane in 2T is incredibly stupid.
lucky you, you arent the bottom performing of your role and still got attention, go have a look at those lovely mistweaver changes, tell me what you think. Ill tell you what i think, i think monk does not presently have a class dev in any way and hasnt for quite awhile. Its becoming quite difficult to enjoy playing my favorite class. Sorry, just ranting.
Frost should outperform Arcane on any fight that is 2 target tho, especially if you can do some spread cleave shenanigans.
The spec just has nothing going on apart from that.
Meh, its sth like +2% for Spellslinger and +3% for frostfire in 5t AoE.
The 10% Blizzard “buff” is not even half-arsed, its just a joke. The ability went from being a loss against 7 targets to being neutral against 7 targets. Not factoring in the good bit of prio damage you are losing and assuming the mobs stay in the Blizzard AoE. Since casting Blizzard also competes with casting stuff for shatter, and shatter also got buffed, basically nothing changed. Brilliant. What are we doing here?
Last season Frost was competing with the tank in bigger pulls, and I dont see that changing anytime soon. I would like to see Frost get something that is exciting to press in AoE. Making Blizzard do a tiny bit more dribble damage and then say “that’ll do” is not it.
They wanna give some AOE back… Winter’s End is right there waiting for some love. Since it’s decimation, it’s been entirely laughable. Make it worth something again!
Very mediocre buffs but honestly even if they buffed it through the roof I wouldn’t touch Frost with a 10 foot pole until the update RoF’s visual or give the spec an entirely different major cooldown.
Absolutely, the better way to say it is more that the difference is much more marginal than it should be, given that it’s supposed to be the frost niche.
I genuinely dont know what the intent of these buffs is considering how numerically insignificant they are.
We need the apex talent buffed, a decent ST buff (that could be 2 in 1 with making Ray always a great button or maybe making Hand of Frost hit harder).
There are larger design problems like CMS being a capstone, blizzard having no hooks into the spec, SS working better with the new design than FF, etc. But these can obviously come later