For those that haven’t seen the latest PTR patch notes, there have been several changes to the class tree that are specifically for ret spec only.
This goes against the design philosophy of the spec/class trees entirely. If there’s no good place for them in the ret tree and the listed talents can’t be accessed by other paladins in the general tree, then why not just make them baseline for ret?
Are we going to start seeing class trees that are different from spec trees moving forward? If so, then what’s the point of having both?
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Yeah was just talking about this in the pally discord. It’s very weird our class tree is getting spec specific changes
Some of those changes would be great for all specs too like getting unbound freedom and stuff like that. I’m not sure why that wouldn’t just apply to all specs, it’s really weird
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Ya I really hope they don’t start doing this. Are they worried things like echoing blessings and unbound freedom would be too strong together? Or healing hands being too powerful for holy?
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Yeah, I hope this isn’t a trend they continue. At some point, if they keep this up, you might as well just have spec trees only.
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Mage already have differences between specs in the class tree.
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There is no point other than that the devs are incompetent. Class tree talents specific only to a certain spec lmfaoooooooo 
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Do they? I didn’t know that.
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Warriors also have some specs starting with more baseline nodes like arms starts with defensive stance selected giving them 1 free talent over fury and prot
I agree its not pretty but for some reason they couldnt put those in the spec tree?
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The difference here is that things like healing hands and unbound freedom benefit all specs, so being in the class tree but only for ret is just weird. It doesn’t feel good to go from ret to holy and just lose 3 good -class- tree talents especially unbound freedom as all 3 specs suffer the same mobility issues as ret.
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Well personally from a survival hunter perspective our tree needs some nodes changed why would we waste a point on barrage and forcing us to select nodes I or we never use just so we can get the better ones at the bottom . personally the connect the dots needs to end let us / everyone use our points how we want so we can actually have a toon how we wanna play I personally don’t like having the same build as everyone else who plays the same toon . Also annoying getting complaints for using traps or belittled for using misdirection.i personally say they should have talents be spec build only with option at class trainer to make urself a class mutt
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Mage and Warriors already have spec-specific utility in their class tree, it’s not a new phenomenon. Moving some extra utility to the class tree because we don’t have space in the spec tree is fine. Having a reason to bring a Ret instead of double Holy paladins is a good thing.
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You keep saying this and every time you do you are just wrong.
I’m sure unbound freedom is going to be exactly what gets ret paladins into the raid for sure! It definitely should stay spec specific, it’s not like holy paladins suffer from the same mobility issues ret has. Oh and double holy paladin has definitely been a thing for the last year for sure (it hasn’t)! /s.
Instead of fighting for unbound freedom, maybe ask the devs to make ret aura spec specific to ret paladins. That is the kind of thing that will get ret brought to raids, people are not using their heads here
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War also has different left capstones by spec.
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Exactly, they have different versions of the tormented kings legendary for fury and arms.
Now I do believe this is a bandaid fix for the meantime because they are not giving holy healing hands come on, and prot already has their own version of %healing with light of the protector dont they?
Maybe they add something there for prot and holy. Also if you ret abd you pick both uf and hh you lose 2 points that could be used getting to the new capstone that makes how crit or dt/dr
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Other classes have to deal with it since the start of the expac quit crying for once.
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I honestly believe unbound freedom should just be available to all 3 specs, while also making retribution aura only useable by ret.
It feels extremely weird to create a aura named after a spec and let holy and prot use it. Prot has spellwarding holy has aura mastery and retribution has ret aura.
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Or its an inelegant solution for the time being that they don’t want to try and address until later.
It’s my rework and I’ll cry if I want to. This is a reference to a song because you’re probably some zoomer that doesn’t listen to music and/or just not knowing things in general.
There’s a difference between having the same location with different capstones versus having nodes that only show up (IN THE CLASS TREE) when you are in a certain spec.
It makes it more infuriating because Holy/Prot could absolutely utilize healing hands/unbound freedom especially in the state that they are in.
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There is no reason for Holy or Prot to not get Unbound Freedom when all three specs are immobile.
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