The subject of this topic is from the "removed content" list in patch 2.0.1.
It was a notation given to some NPCs for the purpose of letting players know that they would obtain what was known as a "dishonorable kill" when you kill a particular NPC.
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Civilian
civilian (aka civies or civs) was a type of NPC that would garner a dishonorable kill ("DK") if killed during PvP combat in the pre-2.0 honor system. The civilian status would appear in their description when the pointer was moved over them. Their names would also have a white background when targeted. The number of civilians one killed would affect one's rank.
By "affect one's rank," it means negatively affect your PvP rank.
In 1.12, you didn't have spawning guards. In older versions of WoW, there was no reason not to obliterate towns and cities. This was what led to the famous/infamous Tarren Mill vs. Southshore situation.
While you might think "well cool. That means my AH isn't going to get griefed continuously!" You may be more right than you know.
Many complaints had been raised since their existence because it almost completely destroyed town/city raiding; one Dishonorable Kill could destroy weeks of work for high ranking players.
More information is available at https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/7d58mk/dishonorable_kills/
So exactly how effective was this?
DKs killed Tarren Mill vs South Shore fighting as getting too close to either town meant the raid broke up instantly. No one wanted to attack a capital city. It just put a stop on fun.
The alternative would be to put the spawning guards into the game, but that's not 1.12.
What do the feels of Classic Discussion say?
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What do the feels of Classic Discussion say?
If they add DHKs, I'm gonna try for most DHKs on the server. I can care less about PvP Ranks.
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What do the feels of Classic Discussion say?
If they add DHKs, I'm gonna try for most DHKs on the server. I can care less about PvP Ranks.
I like em too.
DHKs come from a system that never came into furition.
Imagine WoW if it had released with original plans, with eenough dishonor you'd end up having to scav on dropped supplies in the world, stuff you make yourself or buy from other players or even resort to neutral cities with jacked prices.
The original idea was to make people with lots of DHKs into outcasts of their faction. People who would end up at war with factions within their own side. The idea died and the system left was just DHKs
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DHKs come from a system that never came into furition.
Imagine WoW if it had released with original plans, with eenough dishonor you'd end up having to scav on dropped supplies in the world, stuff you make yourself or buy from other players or even resort to neutral cities with jacked prices.
The original idea was to make people with lots of DHKs into outcasts of their faction. People who would end up at war with factions within their own side. The idea died and the system left was just DHKs
Um, really? I thought they put them in there to discourage NPC killing. (Like that stopped anyone).
I can care less about PvP Ranks.
No, you can't. You
could not care less about PvP ranks because you don't care about them at all. "I can care less" makes no sense as a phrase.
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Um, really? I thought they put them in there to discourage NPC killing. (Like that stopped anyone).
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/2191130564
I found the box to my WoW battle chest and was reading the WoW game manual. Page 134 describes "dishonorable kills":
Dishonor Points
Even among enemies as bitter as the Horde and the Alliance, there is honor. If you flaunt this honor and engage in objectionable PvP play, such as killing new players vastly inferior to you in level, or killing essential non-combat NPCs such as flight masters or quest givers, you will earn dishonor. If you accumulate enough dishonor through your criminal actions, you will be branded an outlaw. As a consequence, you'll suffer experience penalties, lose access to your own faction cities, and become so hated even by your own kind that every faction NPC will attack you on sight.
Recovering Dishonor
World of Warcraft is forgiving of transgressions, and if you refrain from dishonorable actions for a long enough time, you will eventually return to favor with your faction and cast off your criminal label
It seems like a good system at heart, designed to prevent griefing of lowbies in general and to prevent people from killing essential non-combat NPCs for fun and/or grief others. In short that system (from the looks of it) basically means "go fight guards and/or players that are at your own level".
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You should care about ur pvp rank cuz u buy (cant buy)epic gear with that rank
It seems like a good system at heart, designed to prevent griefing of lowbies in general and to prevent people from killing essential non-combat NPCs for fun and/or grief others. In short that system (from the looks of it) basically means "go fight guards and/or players that are at your own level".
It sounds like something from the days when quest givers were (logically) unarmed merchants and advisors who had no choice but to recruit mercenaries because the Tarren Mill guards, etc. were at their posts and couldn't go wandering.
What they definitely were not was
Malfurion standing on the front lines in a daily hub area giving you tasks to do even though he could easily do them himself in 1/4 the time.
Killing unarmed merchants, etc. is dishonorable. If you want to stick it to the opposing faction, fight their combatants. It makes sense. It's both immersive and somewhat discourages NPC gankers.
Though the point about it killing the idea of raiding an enemy capital city is a legitimate issue.
I think one of the changes that they wont bother fixing will be quest giving NPCs being attackable. I don’t remember when that change occurred but I’m sure by the time of 7.0 it was part of the code of the game that this is being built off of.
If we can’t camp all quest givers in the cross roads for an entire evening in the hopes that a lone, lowbie, flagged, horde comes along that we can all pile on for our “honor”, would it even be classic?
Why are you necroing multiple 4 month old threads?
I remember that being in the manual that I had read through a few times before I started playing (a coworker lent me his manual before I actually had the game) When I started playing I fully expected it to be this way. I remember feeling like it was a badge of shame when I had 1 DK that happened when someone in my group killed an NPC during a Tarren Mill raid. It truly bothered me to and for a while I regretted joining that raid.
Then later right before they took out DKs. I had some someone in my guild hanging out at the crossroads seeing how many DKs he could farm.
Blizzard told me to do it…
I mean it did stop pvpers from doing it, obviously.
Edit: Just saw this is an old thread wth is wrong with you nercros
From a purely RP perspective I love the idea of honor being more than just a ranking tool to get a new title/gear, and the fact it would discourage players stepping away from honorable combat and killing players far too low level to defend themselves is intriguing.
Plus it makes much more sense to have outcasts of society being the ones going out and killing the weak and defenseless while the “heroes” of the faction are engaging in “honorable” combat.
He necroed multiple 4 month old threads as soon as he logged the toon onto the forum a few hours ago
Yep, because Blizzard has this fun little suggested topic option right down at the bottom of the forums. You should check it out. Give it a try. Trigger someone…
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It also sheds light on what blizzard considers “soon/not soon”
That’s the freaking spirit right there!
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You probably keep getting old topics in your suggested list because you keep being a nimrod and necroing them. Just post on whatever is current like a normal person.