*Chooses 6 token option*

People thought the cries of forced grinding were bad with AP, can you imagine full uncapped gear power day 1?

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Something along the lines of don’t cap the quantity, but the ilvl itself instead, would go much further than how it currently is.

It’d be interesting if week 1 all loot dropped at veteran track even in a 10 key or mythic raid, but with no more lockout or vault.

That being said, there are many ways to do it differently, not just this one.

I miss when there was only two types of gear, and one path to get them.

You can raid 1 difficulty per week and not open your vault or do keys to replicate that experience. :slight_smile:

Yeah you’re not wrong, but slot machines are just annoying.

Vault has always been RNG trash, they just made it more noticeable to those that do M+ by making M+ track a lot more of a soul-depleting slog to get filled with what you need than it was before.

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In Wrath I did 5N, then 5H (Dungeons). Then 10N, and then 10H. Then 25N, and finally 25H. My gear scaled. I progressed. I collected the tokens as I raided to make my 5 piece Tier set which happened a lot faster than our new Catalyst system.

The current system is probably fine for a lot of people. I keeps them busy chasing that ilvl. If Classic: Cata had retails QoL changes, I would probably go back and live there. Sadly, I have to take the bad with the good if I want to keep enjoying my new casual lifestyle.

In ICC when this system finally was implemented 10N and 10H shared a lockout as did 25N and 25H.

Also 10H and 25N was the same item level gear.

And unless you were full clearing day 1 gear was very slow. And I’ll ignore of course the Wrath timegated release of each wing, taking over 2 months to release the entire raid, and each end wing boss sharing a pool of limited attempts.

This sounds pretty awful to me, to have the gear reward have an arbitrary limit because enough time hasn’t passed yet.

I’m surprised you’d be for that being anti time gating and all.

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Try this secret command to reroll your vault
/butIWantAnOompaLoompaNow

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Maybe if you only do the first 4 yea. But after you kill the 5th boss its extend time. Raid vault for mythic raiders honestly needs an overhaul considering they have to extend if they want to beat their content griefing their loot table for it. Getting less chances at rewards for progressing is insane game design

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Taps the sign

Pick meaningful esports that respects players or weekly lootbox, cannot have both without chasing some of us away.

And yet there was still only 1 end game, and 1 path, with gear that dropped, and no great vault. Never said it was day 1, but given the limitations we had back then, there was far less bloat and frustration.

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It was simpler before for sure.

It also kind of sucked if you didn’t raid.

And no cross realm, and everything was raid ID lockout based ad well.

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There were two things to do back then… raid and pvp. No Mythics, no delves, no nothing. And yeah, not having CRZ was AMAZING! People had to act right, or get blacklisted.

You don’t understand what esports means, friend.

lets go back to the old days without vault then

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Honestly, if that means putting myth track into a 12 or 13 key chest, then sure.

I’d be absolutely down for adding myth track loot to M+ if they can make it non farmable / comparable to raid drops.

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The vault is just an extra piece of free loot (or tokens) for content you already did.

Just vendor the trash and be happy for the gold.

Or do real content and get loot!