This absence of RDF doesn’t just affect Northrend. The people who are leveling in the old world need it, more than ever. With many/most people in Northrend, connecting with those few still in the old world is very important.
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We got to imagine this “new” LFG tool throughout tbc with bulletin board. It is not an improvement over that even. So I think it’s fair enough most people don’t want to deal with another expansion of bulletin board scrolling when there is a tool that fixes everything they just refuse to implement through ego and wanting to put their mark on classic.
Imagine what? What exactly are you curious about? How it feels to experience the same monstrously toxic LFG meta except while AFKing to stare at the chat window in Dalaran instead of Shattrath? Spoiler alert: it’s going to be the same forking bullsteak that we just went through in TBC. There will be no difference. Or, there will be a difference, but that difference will mean things continuing to devolve and worsen.
Don’t care – you’d think I would like to have it since my work hours kinda of get in the way of most things and the RDF would be great to save time. Still don’t care.
I would like to stick a fork in boosts and gold selling though.
You’re absolutely right. The player base was very different. Your old school RPG was still very much a thing where sometimes you just had to mindless grind for the sake of doing so. If old school WoW were to come out today, it would flop. Just like how I knew SoM would not live up to the kinda sorta hype it got. People don’t have that time nor the desire to put that much time into a game anymore. The people playing Classic now do so partially because the has been figured out 10 times over.
The rhetorical question is so when is an MMORPG not an MMORPG anymore? True, maybe a lot of games can technically be categorized still as such, but if so much is streamlined and things so accessible does it turn into an arcade game you can play with a small group of friends.
I mean, there are now 5 man “raids”. The very idea kind of boggles my mind. When I came back to play the tail end of the Panda xpac and the beginning of the next one … forget the name. The toon i did level, i literally just sat there and did nothing but watch popups appear and once I realized that dungeons were nerfed into oblivion, it was running through Lost Ark mode watching things melt behind me. I mean, heck the quest givers were right there when i zoned in lol.
At the end of the day, the traditional MMORPG or even RPG in general has died or is dying. Along with RTS games. And at some point, it seems like this iteration of MMORPG will as well. Some people left Retail because it was too grindy to “beat” the game. In Classic, anyone can “beat the game” with minimal effort. But even now, it’s still not good enough.
Maybe the current player base can’t see it, but I’m wondering if some can see how this can be looked at as a game that is so watered down. Better or worse? I guess in today’s case, it’s better and that’s fine.
I’m talking about just going into northrend without RDF and experiencing what forming groups is like with new talents, a shiny new plate class, some fresh servers, and some heirlooms. Whatever problems crop up once we get there can be addressed with later implementation. But this RDF doomerism has no room for such an experience, not even briefly.
And the people who aren’t in Northrend, but in the old world, leveling characters when most everyone is on their main in Northrend? They need RDF. That’s not “doomerism.”
See, things are always more complex than we think, when it concerns other people. If you don’t need it, fine. But others might.
The people not in northrend can level all prepatch with bonus xp and the latecomers can get heirlooms and flying mounts for their alts with 1 max char. You are being a doomer.
Other way round. Term started in patch notes for minor errata (pulled from medical terminology no doubt), public got ahold of it without context and used it in other ways. I’m simply reminding folks of its common use. If the public ends up transforming it, so be it.
I’m talking about the people who don’t make it to Northrend before Wrath launches, and the people who make new characters when Wrath launches. I, for one, won’t be caught dead in the Northrend madness–for at least a week. I want to see how leveling is from scratch in Wrath. I like alts.
Other people like alts. Other people can be different from you, and so what they want is more complex than just applying what you want to them.
Uhh Classic was super successful and the reason SoM “flopped” was because everyone had just spent the last 2 years playing classic maxing out their character and wanted to move on to TBC. If they started with SoM instead of classic everyone would have played on it. Same goes for if they tried to start up a new TBC server right now after everyone just played it for a year and a half.
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Yeah… we don’t have a community though.
Let’s be real. Right now it’s like a game of who is willing to wait to get summons by the 2 puds forced to go to the summoning stone. We’re not missing much.
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I plan on playing on the fresh server and I’m sure we won’t have any problems finding groups initially. With rdf we would just dungeon spam meta.
Why would we subject a new server to that when all the other servers had no rdf since classic launch. We already have a 58 and 68 boost in the game for the old servers and xp pre patch boost. None of these things were in wrath vanilla, which makes rdf redundant for launch AT LEAST.
I’m not talking about a fresh server. I’m talking about people on the servers that are up now, wanting to group, but everyone is in Northrend. It’s hard enough to find groups for Deadmines, SM, or Stocks as it is.
And there’s more instances than just that: working people with only a few hours, people without guilds (when others are running with their guilds), people without RL friends in the game, and so on.
If you don’t need to use the tool, fine. But others may need it.
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The poor players stuck in azeroth will suddenly have new boats, lower level and cost of riding skill, boosted xp until wrath launch, death knights and 60 flying in outlands. Alts will have heirlooms.
Even if you didn’t find a single group for a dungeoun in azeroth the grind will be easier than it has ever been, with the option to buy a boost and skip azeroth altogether. There is going to be an alt surplus instead of some doomsday scenario no RDF dystopia.
That you keep claiming people wanting RDF is “doomerism, doomsday scenario, and dystopia,” when none of the comments sound anything like that, makes me think you’re trying to make a strawman.
Simple fact is: You don’t want RDF, because you don’t need it. Other people want RDF, because they need it. That’s all. Simple, and I don’t even need a logical fallacy to state it.
I don’t care about RFD or not. I don’t need it, I wouldn’t mind it if it was there. I want to play WotLK Classic and I will play wether it’s there or not.
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Here I am arguing points. But no you do the bare minimum by restating your position and telling me mine is wrong. Look at all these threads crying about no RDF, look how it derails threads that don’t even mention it.
Wrath babies crying about unsubbing it’s like the sky is falling in here. All these wild predictions about wrath dying on arrival over instance teleporting. If you don’t see it you don’t want to see it.
I’ll tell you what I see: First, what you call “crying” is actually critiquing. I know that’s a common misconception, but appropriate here nevertheless.
Secondly, I have to restate my position because you don’t acknowledge it, which is this: Other people want what you don’t want; other people need what you don’t need. That doesn’t make them wrong.
I didn’t state that I wanted no RDF, like an earlier poster said I will play either way. Threatening to unsub over this issue is what I am critiquing. Yes I classify this as crying because instead of making a sound argument we get doomerism.
Hyperbole like: Dead on arrival, unsubbing, my favorite expansion is DESTROYED woe is me, necroing hashtag nochanges.