How do you use Chi-Ji in single target situations like mythic+ boss fights?
In aoe/trash I’ll just alternate TP → BK while standing in jadefire and the BK cleave does crazy healing.
In single target high damage situations, like many mythic+ bosses that have high aoe damage phases, do you still try and do a dps rotation to get healing out of Chi-Ji? I’ve been feeling like the healing is just low, and too slow, to keep up well with the incoming damage. I’ve started using him like I would Yulon where I ramp enveloping mists and spam vivify on the party with peer into peace to get enveloping breath on everyone and pump casted heals.
Well, you’re missing quite a bit of Mastery, so for you on ST it won’t feel great.
You also don’t have 2/2 Resplendent Mist, which makes a MASSIVE difference.
Not only that, you’re also not running Jade Bond, which gives 20% more (Overkill, but still) + high CDR if you get any cleave chances.
Also, you’re running Temple Training over Xuen’s Guidance, so you don’t have BoK stack resets, so you have to TP → TP → BoK instead of just TP-> BoK when you get 1 or 2 stacks refunded. It makes a big difference there as well.
I’m making these observations using your currently active profile, so if I’m wrong let me know.
Looking at high rated mythic+ MWs none of them are running Jade Bond or resplendent mist, nor are they mastery stacking, so I think there is more nuance to it.
I typically just do TP → BK and even that is slow, going TP → TP → BK would be way too slow.
For me (and of course I probably run a unique build, playing Master of Harmony and Tea of Serenity, usually sitting on an instant EvM or two)
Ramp:
Tiger Palm x 2, EvM (if no Tea of Serenity Procs) → ReM x2 (for Chi Harmony)
Chiji → (EvM if tea of Serenity) → wait for chi cocoon to pop, can hard cast another EvM here → Blackout Kick dump to do big healing → EvM → TFT → RSK → Blackout Kick → RSK → EvM → Vivify (instant) → RSK (Focused Thunder) → Blackout Kick → Jadefire Stomp → Blackout Kick → EvM → Crackling Jade Lightning on last second of Invoker’s Delight
Basically I try to rely on focused Thunder to replace as many Tiger Palms with RSK during chi ji and on the cycles where BoK is on CD and normally you’d Tiger Palm I fill that with an instant vivify or JFS since you’ll need more burst healing than what the Tiger Palm can provide.
Since playing Master of Harmony, you get big healing during chi ji since activating Thunder Focus tea will cause you to release your stored vitality as bonus healing from ATOTM and you have Secret Infusion Versatility buff as well as bonus healing from Breath and chi Harmony so overall lots of bonus healing during this window.
With Master of Harmony you also have the option for a chi ji with a double TFT Focused Thunder and have 6 RSKs but have to plan further in advance.
Goal is not to rely solely on the damage to healing during Chiji but go hybrid and maximize the single global DPS heals + your casted heals such as vivify since it is admittedly strong during these moments
Yea you should give it a go and maybe try my build sometime
Overall, your highest HPS will still be vivify spam on HoTed targets so we just want to use chi ji to efficiently get Enveloping Breath out on the party and ideally have EvM and Chi Harmony on at least 2 party members but otherwise once you run out of RSKs during chi ji you should probably be vivify spamming regardless (at least for things like Dark Pulse) since even CJL on a ST can’t keep up with the necessary healing for some of these
Again though, you can get lots of bonuses during this window:
Invoker’s Delight 20% haste
secret Infusion 15% versatility
Enveloping Breath 10% bonus healing
enveloping mist 30-40% bonus healing
Master of Harmony / Coalescence - bonus healing from stored vitality
chi Harmony - 50% bonus healjng
So yea pretty much once you dump your first stache of BoK and use up your TFT RSKs it’s vivify spam if the DPS isn’t enough healing
You should just use chi ji in ST situations with a normal rotation, prioritizing RSK, you shouldn’t take jade bond or any of those other talents friedzombie recommended if you are doing keys as they are all pretty meh, a good amount of mastery is around 85% to around 100% is what I usually play with. And if you intend to play moh keep in mind that while it does great dmg your healing won’t be as strong as conduit, so play it at your own peril. Megasett has some great videos that go over those things and I would definitely recommend checking her out.
Eh I feel like this is up for debate. There are a lot of tradeoffs for Celestial Conduit (such as the opportunity cost of all the spells you could be casting during that channel) that it’s not so straight forward
Also there is the “local vs global maximum factor” of — are the guide makers actually playing MoH to the best that it could be played or is their version only a local maximum instead of the global maximum?
Personally, I have not had any healing issues with MoH even with a relatively strong dps build… the bonus healing from vitality makes TFT windows very strong with Secret Infusion, especially on AoE with crackling jade lightning, but having even just 1 more RSKs from Focused Thunder on every TFT with secret infusion is really strong, you’re consistently getting more casts that hit harder and heal more so yea
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Personally the 30s cycle from MoH is more advantageous to me in M+ compared to a 2 min cycle from Celestial
It’s not up for debate, you take master of harmony because it does much more dmg at the cost of losing a very strong healing cd in conduit. That’s the trade off, but also I feel like if your highest heal in your dungeons is vivify you are playing something unique to you only anyways. A MWs highest heal in dungeons should always be ATOTM, it’s just so strong atm In dungeon packs.
In just about every content Ive done so far my healing from expelled vitality does about 15-25% more total healing than any Celestial Conduit I’ve seen in logs from me or when playing against other monks.
From personal experience, conduit feels underwhelming. I can just get the same healing doing other stuff and then also gain the damage bonuses from MoH.
The synergy and bonuses from MoH are definitely contending with celestial conduit and I don’t think it’s as clear cut as you’re trying to say
Ok dude, not gonna argue this with you, you always make wierd builds outside the norm and try to argue that it’s “just as good as what peak does” so not gonna argue, there’s not point. Conduit is stronger in healing and moh is better for dmg at the cost of healing.
All you can say is “celestial is better” but your reasoning is “Oh it’s better because they say it’s better”.
The healing from the channel really isn’t all that crazy — definitely not so much stronger to just brush off the bonuses of MoH and how those could be used with our talents to generate a similar output
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Like even your own description is a counter argument for celestial conduit. If ATOTM is so strong right now, you are literally giving up that healing for conduit, whereas, with MoH, you are boosting that ATOTM healing on each TFT from stored vitality… it’s just apples and oranges.
MoH looks so badass with overwhelming force I literally couldn’t give two Fs with “summon the zoo!” conduit.
Specifically got out of WW to avoid clones and summons but I digress.
Could you go into detail, in your perspective why that is? I’m interested. No flame.
You as well.
I hate when people do this. They also typically dont even understand intrinsically WHY said thing is good, bad, better ect. They just parrot what they hear.
It has the same energy as “Fistweaving in Raid is dogass and you’re griefing by doing so”.
This isnt an attack on anyone, just the mentality.
I dont run the meta/Chi Ji builds but Ive done some 10’s and I dont think Ive had any major issues with ST healing outside of a few squishy tanks that don’t use cooldowns.
For ST healing I just (w/ Peer Into Peace) soo-env-viv…It’s pretty much always enough to full heal someone in 1-2 globals, JSS is usually dropped somewhere close by for more healing. With peer into peace you can easily roll it onto someone else if another person also takes a ton of damage. ( if 2 people get hit with a really bad dot/mechanic it’s still pretty easy to keep them both up ). Soothing Mist also reduces damage taken, another slight bonus there.
With chi harmony and env mist procs it’s big ST healing, if you picked up and are tracking Mending Prolif you can also keep Env Mist rolling on someone to let MP spread to the tank when they take damage, then soo-env-viv the tank for HUGE healing, Chi Harmony and Env Mist should be enough to get those huge vivify heals though.
( MP+Env Mists+Chi Harmony healing buffs all stack if you do it that way, MP wont spread to people with Env Mist though, only the other way around )
That is how I deal with ST damage, it’s almost always overkill and more HPS than needed. Life Cocoon with calming coalescence if the tank is really bad and/or needs the breathing room, or doesnt have a defensive for some mechanic.
It’s more about how to handle using Chi-Ji during high team rot phases of a boss (ST) encounter.
Pulses like the second boss in DB, rock elemental in SV, and 3rd boss in CoT I’ve felt like trying to dps with Chi-Ji is too low/slow of healing for these phases because there is no blackout kick cleave for high healing.
I tried out Master of Harmony in a +9 CoT yesterday after making this thread and it overall seemed fine, although I missed conduit and the Ox shield things. I’ll need to practice with it more to get a better feel.