#changes (It's time)

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I am #nochanges.

I don’t want dungeon finder, transmog, new bgs, arena, class revamps, summoning stones, etc.

Reality is that we are playing a game full of changes.

PvE
In original WoW I didn’t see a hand of ragnaros until TBC-pre patch. Now everybody has one. The raid content was cleared within a week — it took 3 months in original. I would be willing to gurantee a much higher % of the player base is gearing and clearing content in comparison to original vanilla.

PvP
People now know how to honor grind efficiently. Addons and knowledge of the game has led to a meta that was never a thing in original WoW, let alone could it have been. In original AV there were mines and honor was calculated differently. In this AV LT’s and rushing wins gives more honor per hour than WSG, effectively making WSG useless and destroying PvP.

Spell Batching
In original Vanilla most players suffered from bad latency and bad pc’s. Blizzard implimented something to counter act this to even out the playing field. Now we have 100MB internet speed and pc’s that are insane. This system is not needed.

Blizzard, in an act of good faith, implemented a similar system seeking to duplicate the “Classic Experience”. The problem is that it quite simply is NOT the same experience. Any examination of prior videos of Original Vanilla and Classic will reveal much different interaction and gameplay. Most importantly, however, most of the player base doesn’t WANT this borked and strange iteration of spell batching.

The game feels worse. Pummels and interupts go off but so does the heal you interupted. Warlocks are abusing charm and shadowbolt spell batching interaction, and the list literally could go on all day long. It makes the game feel awful. At this point I have to ask…

DOES ANYBODY ACTUALLY WANT SPELL BATCHING?

I see basically everybody saying they hate it. I haven’t met one person in game who likes it. I see Kargoz and other streamers who are hardcore vanilla fans say it sucks. The only people who argue for it are a few strange people who lurk around on the forums.

The truth is…Classic is a changed version of Original Vanilla. We need to adapt.

Solutions

  • Nerf AV honor and/or give us 1.5 AV
  • Release AB
  • Remove spell batching or shorten the window for which spells batch (half?)
  • Announce TBC :slight_smile:
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Spell batching is fun if it works in your favor.

Chain lightning and frost shock crits back to back are fun.

But, I agree. Take it out or drop it down to half of what it is now. I’m picking up natures swiftness anyway at 60.

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No you’re not.

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That’s coming, be patient.

I am agnostic on this issue since I am not the kind of player that it would affect regularly. I think I’ve noted a batching issue maybe one instance the entire time I’ve been playing. So leave as is, change it, I don’t care.

I think they will, eventually.

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No. No, you’re not.

I don’t disagree. However, that doesn’t make me want #changes. It makes me glad #nochanges held the line enough that it’s a lightly-changed version that feels enough like vanilla to be played and enjoyed. Intentional #changes would violate that and ruin what we have.

That’s going to happen in its own time.

You do realize that wouldn’t fix the player problem, right? Within a couple weeks, a large portion of the players grinding AV honor would have figured out what was the maximum efficiency way to rank and changed tactics - and it still wouldn’t be about fun games. (Hell, I’m not convinced 1.5 AV would be all that much more fun with the modern mindset of those players.)

Well, I hope for that announcement, yes. However, it has nothing to do with #changes or #nochanges. (Except that TBC Classic should not be a change to WOW Classic.) If anything, TBC Classic will be a whole new battlefield for #nochanges with the people who’d like to add later Retail features.

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only thing i ask for is like a week window to faction xfer. they had something like that on one of the servers i played on and tbh it worked out p well. have a friend that wants to be alli with me and oh well refuses to reroll so i guess its gg

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This is all reasonable feedback that doesn’t break the spirit of #nochanges

I personally would welcome either a AV nerf or Arathi Basin just from the stand point of continuity with the game this was modeled after. If we didn’t want changes we shouldn’t be accepting of a version that not only never existed in vanilla, but breaks the spirit of it as well.

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My fav is sheeping a mage at the exact same time they sheep me and we both sit there as sheeps

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I am advocating for them to change the changes they made. How can u not see that?

Spell batchinig is broke and not like original vanilla. It is a weird thing that most people do not like. It is not needed and should be removed.

The talents at release were the talents that existed at the END of original vanilla, thus MC was cleared really fast and knowledge was there to make it easier also in the players, thus we get a faster rate of gear acquisition. Also, the cross realm bg’s is a change that existed only in the TBC pre patch, this changes the honor grind throughout the duration of all Vanilla.

The reality is this game has changes and it is not playing out like original vanilla. We should make changes to this iteration of Vanilla to keep the “spirit of original vanilla” as much as possible. That is what I am saying. That and spell batching is garbage that should be removed.

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The manifesto you posted after this indicates you are the opposite of #nochanges.

#Nochanges means you accept the flaws and you acknowledge constant interventions by Blizzard to “Fix” things is what no body wants.

I’m not judging. I am not #nochanges either. I mean i mostly am but i wouldn’t freak out if they added a barbershop.

Would i ever ask for it or expect it? no! That would be sacrilege, but if they added it i would grumble “Bleeping Zoomers” as i got my hair cut.

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Yes, so you two are glorying in your abuse of this stupid system. The upside is that you get to abuse it to do stupid things like glitching 2 uses of elemental mastery and quirky stupid moments like double sheep or hammer/sheep at the same time happens.

The downside is that people interupt heals and spells but are still blasted by them. It makes the game feel awful and clunky.

Hmm let me see… Get over losing your abuse of a glitched system and enjoy balance that the ORIGINAL SYSTEM WAS TRYING TO ACHEIVE. The original sys[quote=“Chillrot-fairbanks, post:8, topic:409137”]
My fav is sheeping a mage at the exact same time they sheep me and we both sit there as sheeps
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The origal spell batching system’s goal was to acheive fairness and balance. That is the SPIRIT of that system. The current spell batching system is intended to replicate the quirky imbalanced nature of that system. That is the OPPOSITE spirit of the original system.

Double sheeps and abusing batching to get 2 crits from 1 elemental mastery may get you off and make you giggle, but it is not right. It is unintended game design, even then. It was only there because people didn’t have fast internet or good pc’s. Now they do. The spirit of the game dictates it not be there.

You have no good argument for spell batching other than “lol we sheep each other” and “I abuse it to lol 1 shot people”. That is bad arguments. It makes the game feel bad and clunky and is abusable. Most importantly it is against the spirit of the original games design and even against the systems original purpose!

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I agree with your stance, despite being mostly no-changes myself (though to appease people, i will say minimal changes).

I agree that the current AV isn’t in the spirit of vanilla honor grind, where you had to be in AB or WSG actually trying most of the time. Hard to sneakily bot or afk (not impossible) when there were only a few other people who could easily call you out. I think changing the honor within AV is too much in the #changes feeling, and so I would propose either:

  • Later version of AV (still “classic”) that gives less
  • Limit number of games so that queues are longer for non-dominant faction
    *remember, in vanilla there were server limits so you could have hundreds of simultaneous AV’s going

Neither of the above (IMO) violates #no-changes, but it would promote people going to AB (when released) or WSG to get their honor. It greatly reduces the ability to bot to high honor ranks, and makes WSG more competitive. That said, you will then notice that AV becomes useless for honor, and instead of WSG being 50% premades it will become 90% premades, which will make people upset about queue-dodging etc…

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You choose your side, turncoat.

#nochanges

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Part of the problem with the game as it is right now (and one which the OP hasn’t grasped in his list of proposed changes) is that we as players are not the same as we were 15 years ago; we have better internet, a different mind set and all the information we need for optimizing our progression through the game and this has lead to things like the utter absurdity of AV ~a bg which should be an utter carnage filled smorgasboard~ ideally having no PVP at all as players simply rush each others bases and then exploit the ever loving hell out the mechanics to down the opposing general.

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Nochanges is accepting this is what we got and pushing to prevent further changes because a lot of changes are opinion based and do not gaurantee a better or more authentic experience.

This is just like, your opinion man and contradicts your statement about being #nochanges. You dont have the data to prove batching isnt like it was in vanilla. In addition you might as well be lobbying for its removal.

You are not #nochanges. You are just making suggestions you, and possibly others, feel would improve the game. This is all I am here to point out to you. Do not wave a false banner.

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All I have to say is spell batching will not be removed. I’m fairly confident every raid is tuned with spell batching in mind. If this were to happen wouldn’t every raid and dungeon have to adjusted again? Knowing Blizzard, they want to develop thier flag ship retail and not spend unnessary resources on this.

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I never said I did I just said it was funny calm down.

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Melee crushes range in this edition of the game unless you’re a mage. Get out of here, seriously.

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Please reread my original post and get back to me.

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Actually it took 4.5 months