So I just recently hit 70 on my SP and my gear is basically quest gear, with no dungeons ventured into. I kinda thought SP damage was lack luster and had been reading how elemental shamans A tier/S tier. Hit 70 on my Ele shaman to try it out and I must say shadow damage blows elemental out of the water. For me, its not even a comparison.
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Shadow priest dmg is really good, ppl is complaining mostly about the clunkyness of the spec.
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Endgame shadow might have better damage, but have you experienced ele burst yet? From what Iâve seen, ele burst is up there with the best of them. This is a PVP comment
Shadows DPS is conditional as well but in general i believe it does beat ele. Enhancement on the other hand.
I love Shadow-spec at the moment to be honest. 
Personally, I honestly canât fathom how people can remotely find it âclunkyâ â To me it feels like theyâve been playing a class with a basic easy mode spec and canât wrap their heads around something more than three buttons. 
Me either. Shadow feels great to me at the moment and has call-backs to all of my favorite iterations of the spec. No more voidform is huge for me as well. Itâs all subjective though, and Iâm not pushing my priest to the limit, but in the casual content I do it feels really great.
Maybe people are taking random talents with no synergy and just smashing buttons, but most of the builds Iâve tried are perfectly fine from a feels perspective.
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In pvp anyhow, relying on instas such as mindbender, shadow crash, and damnation to name a few is not the type of playstyle most expected with their spriest. And I doubt it was the original design philosophy by the devs for spriests in Dragonflight. Players, as usual, found the most creative ways to work around what would have been a crappy situation.
So, itâs not that youâre incapable of seeing the obvious, or that youâre apparently willfully ignoring all the feedback thatâs been provided that details exactly whatâs wrong with the spec.
Itâs that a specâs rotation in a computer game is so utterly complex that weâre all just fumbling about?
Seems like a reasonable take.
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I played 9.0 affliction which is one of the more complex rotations. The reason shadow feels complex is it isnât a set rotation. changes based on talents and procs.
Managing that while doing mechanics is the issue.
Probably because the build youâre playing doesnât have Halo, Inescapable Torment or Surge of Darkness. To be honest, Iâm not sure what your build is for. It looks like itâs for AoE or Mythic + but you donât take Halo or Divine Star and you went with Maddening Touch over Dark Evangelism? You might be playing on a level where you can get away with subpar builds, but others arenât.
Fixed it for you. 
Iâm part of a guild community on discord, along with quite a few others that have heaps of spriest players who all seem to love the spec too.
You have to keep in mind that not 100% of its playerbase come to the forums. And why should they? If they enjoy the spec, obviously theyâre not going to come to do a forum channel to complain about it.
Sure itâs not perfect, I never said that â I said Iâm enjoying the spec, and didnât understand how it came across to feel clunky â However perhaps people feel shoehorned on their talent tree & if thatâs the case, perhaps Blizz should buff other components in the tree & tweak some additions to compensate for that sort of playerbase who arenât coping as well.
Personally Iâm glad Spriest arenât like Affliction - Not that I have anything against it, but I just like the differences between the two.
However as for the procs thing, I donât really feel like that with Shadow Priest a whole lot, however I have felt that way before with elemental shaman â So I can take a step back and understand where others are coming from in that retrospect in the views of others who feel that way.
Okay well yeah, those spells feel clunky I hadnât really considered that.
I do well enough dps in raiding too â Phenomenally fantastic on some fights in the early Vault of Incarnates bosses (Although Iâve only done a few so far too), but yeah. I wouldnât call my build âsubparâ personally but each to their own.
On the above note though, thinking on the regard of class design â They should buff various spells, talents and spell synergies to give them a better scope on players who want to spec the class differently or play different playstyles & still perform rather exceptional.
No, you didnât. Youâve edited my text to miss the point entirely.
The point was if you arenât understanding why the spec feels clunky to people, itâs because you arenât reading what people are saying.
Itâs possible to both understand why people like a spec and why people dislike a spec. To do so, however, requires that you actually read what people oh both sides are saying.
I do keep this in mind. Itâs also irrelevant.
You say you donât understand why people think the spec is clunky. I say there are novelsâ worth of posts out there explaining why the spec feels clunky.
You now say people like the spec and not everyone comes to the forums.
Are you following why this is irrelevant given the discussion?
You can call it whatever you like, but playing without inescapable torment is nothing short of memeâing if you want to talk about potential output
Spriest is close to affliction as far as dot maintenance and using procs.
Then youâre playing a sub optimal spec.
So youâre playing sub optimally
Logs please.
Because honestly youâre playing a sub optimal build and your performance against other casuals isnât a fair reflection of what shadow priests are actually at.
You seem to be rather rude & arrogant in your opinions and forced ideals on to others Cyny, whilst completely disregarding anything that challenges your views.
If I applied the same reverse argument to you and said that what youâre saying is irrelevant because youâre not understanding the spec, and you need to look at what people who do enjoy it are saying then suggest the number of those who side with you is irrelevant, without any argument of base substance or example â youâd play the victim card and rage your hands in the air.
Snozay & Prayermonger are at least providing constructive feedback, critisism & comparison in the discussion. We may not see eye to eye wholly, but theyâre being much more unbiased about it.
â In all honesty, theyâve made me consider other talent builds I have saved and how theyâve worked and in hindsight they me realise thereâs definately more work that could be done to Shadow-spec.
Hmm, okay Iâm cool with that.
Personally I like sub-optimal specs, so itâd probably be on point to say I subconsciously formed a talent build on such metrics.
This early? I didnât bother saving the logs. However the dps that went the best Iâd say would be the primal council fight and the bosses that had additional adds.
Fight with Terros however, although it wasnât terrible - it wasnât exceptional either. As much as it pains me to admit it, Iâd say it would be as you put it âSub-parâ and on that note would understand peoples frustrations on procs etc in fights such as those.
To take a step back & be humble â I would like to say however that throughout this thread-discussion, Iâd say Iâm now more awares to the faults of the spec as a whole than Iâd initially thought & considered, and would agree thereâs lots of room for improvement. The light buffs coming with the class tuning soon is a good start, but thereâs definitely further potential.
You havenât said anything relevant to challenge my beliefs? The shadow priest forums overwhelmingly agree that the rotation feels clunky.
You said you canât fathom why the rotation feels clunky.
I told you there is plenty of writing in the forums to explain why the rotation feels clunky. I and many others have created threads ourselves.
Like idk how I can dumb this down any further.
- you say you donât understand why people dislike the spec.
- I say thereâs a lot to read
- you then say but people like the spec
Are you seriously not following why this is irrelevant? It genuinely feels like borderline gaslighting that you arenât following the flow of this conversation and are calling me rude as a result lol.
We arenât talking about people who like the spec. We are discussing why people think the spec feels clunky
The simple truth of the matter is that you went off on a tangent about something irrelevant and are now offended because I tried to bring you back on track.
If you say âI donât understand why people donât like somethingâ and then I say âthereâs a lot of writing to explain whyâ and then you say âbut there are people who do like itâ, itâs beside the point.
This would first require that I say something like âI canât fathom why people like the shadow priest spec.â I didnât say that because I already understand why.
Once again, this is entirely irrelevant.
Idk man, like just read and understand the topic of discussion. Itâs all there for you lol.
Then your input on the specs viability isnt credible because you are playing a sub optimal spec and not playing in content it matters.
Why wouldnt you save logs this early? Anyone some what serious about raiding is keeping logs.
If I ran your build, Iâd do 15% less damage.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bMrPEwqjGLDofhbWud9A9n
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