so basically the way that the Mark of Chaos rune works right now is that it allows a warlock to make a target take 10% more damage from all sources, including Holy damage, which is insanely huge especially for raids. However, Mark of Chaos currently conflicts with a MAJOR throughput rune for affliction, Shadowflame, which can account for like 30% of your total dps on fights. it also conflicts with a minor throughput rune for destro, demonic knowledge, but this one is a very minor dps increase. So basically, one of the warlocks in your raid has to give up and resign themselves to being the Support Lock. Unless you are the only warlock in your raid, then YOU are always forced to go Support Lock. This feels terrible, and Affliction is basically off the table as a spec entirely unless you are the second lock in your raid team. PLEASE move either Mark of Chaos or Shadowflame to a different rune slot, please. thanks.
yeah it’s called utility… how do you think ppl who kick or decurse/dispel feel when that’s all they do thru a fight? Suck it up buttercup your raid all doing 10% more dmg is more beneficial than you doing more dmg no one cares about your parses
Firsty, if you play a support class you have signed up to focus on support. Healers focusing on dispels is what they are supposed to be doing and everyone who plays a healer knows this is advance.
Secondly, Mage having access to Decurse does not disable one of their specializations, neither does having Kick or Earthshock for Rogue or Shaman prevent them from playing one of theirs either. With Shadowflame on Affliction, it makes up so much of your damage output that you simply cannot play Affliction without it. Decurse, Kick, Earthshock, Pummel, etc. are all base class abilities that do not conflict with something else.
Lastly, what tf is this american conservation logic? “i had to suffer so you do too!” how about we just fix the issues for everyone going forward yeah?
how is your raid killing things faster you suffering???
cuz i dont got destro gear bro i put all my farming into shadow power and zila gular
just don’t run it . parse for life
its only 2% better than standard curses not the end of the world to just curse normally
The benefit of mark of chaos is it covers all elements and reduces the enemies resistances by 75, it’s a nice QoL for the raid.
Imo, if you have Zila Gular, you shouldnt be on mark or pact. You should be on Shadowflame and EA.
The problem is not mark or pact. The problem is that you are the only warlock in the raid.
(Also, if you are concerned about parses, you can still parse playing support warlock. Last night, I got a 96 overall and three 100s by ilevel in a molten core running Demonic Pact and Mark of Chaos)
Hang in there
Bro just getting one warlock in your raid is almost impossible. The only people playing warlock right now are summon bots.
You bring up rogues, but they are basically in the same situation with Sebacious Poison. Other classes sacrifice the same way to bring bigger raid DPS.
after the nerf to demo knowledge / not using the bloodmoon trinket anymore there’s really no reason to not have the destro run chaos. You get like 15 spell power from knowledge now and the destro lock is already going to be the one forced to apply curse of reck. Might as well have that reck also apply the magic debuffs.
2ndary thing is that rogues are basically passively applying occult poison now… so as long as you have an assassination rogue in your group with deadly brew on then nobody needs to run mark of chaos at all.
Affli used to be the pact givers but I personally think its on the destro locks now that incin got moved off legs. Affli gets a huge benefit from being able to run grace to snapshot dots with a large crit chance adjustment.
the biggest real issue locks have right now is pet usage in raid. Imp is too soft, felguard is too costly a trade, felhunter doesnt have shadowbite or any damage, succubus is stinky.
Are you actually whining about having to help?
Jesus, the dopamine addiction is terrible.
you need a new succubus then
mine smells like flowers and brimstone and i wouldn’t have it any other way
honestly i always thought of it this way.
if you add all the damage done from one of the warlock curses (in this case being reck) to the warlocks dps the warlock does more dps than any other class by a far margin.
this is also true in classic era.
if you add the dps from the boosts warlocks give + their own personal dps they come out on top even above the highest parsing warriors.
yes he’s cry about his raid clearing faster
He must be one of the people who would yell at the invoker for only pulling 100k dps in their raid while simultaneously giving the other 9 a 50k dps boost each
honestly given that alot of people dont understand how much these buffs actually give and refuse to slot in certain classes sometimes in pugs cause of low personal dps , its not suprising that someone takes that thought and runs with it and complains.
just need to look at it with different eyes.
MoC stacks with Occult Poison as far as I know.
-laughs in 100+ dispels on some fights-