Change is needed: Rewards

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Change is needed… badly.

Hi, for those of you who don’t know me, my name is Kydrav, I’m a journeyman warrior enjoyer who likes to q 3s with my friends & q shuffle on alts for fun.

I’m also the guy who made the posts for the Obsidian Gladiator’s Greatsword to be added to the game (only took about 2 years lol).

That being said, I’ll cut to the chase: the PvP reward system as a whole, stinks. It needs a rework or an update (both rated & non-rated). I don’t wanna hear ‘muh resources’ either because there is definitely enough money from all PvPers to dedicate a group of devs & artists to make rewards that are appealing rather than just thrown together.

Venruki has also made a video about this & I agree with him: https://youtu.be/9YvOKVfvQGk?feature=shared

Let’s start with the elephant in the room: TWW (More specifically the Astral Gladiator) ‘Fel’ Bats: easily the worst gladiator mounts out of the all expansions; it’s truly a slap in the face for PvPers. Not sure what Blizzard was thinking with this one, also not sure how you go from DF’s beauties to this; it’s ridiculous. I have a suspicion that the Skyrazors were supposed to originally be the gladiator mounts & a dev decided they wanted them as well so they quickly threw the ‘Fel’ bats together as a ‘here take it’ mount. They’re a huge L & they should be ashamed of these mounts, really you could have just given PvPers a model update of the stone drakes from Cata & that would have made a good Gladiator Mount.

As far as the ‘Astral’ Gladiator’s ‘Fel’ Bat… the only thing I will say about it is this: low effort. Threw a little purple in there, called it a day probably took an hour total doesn’t even appeal to the patch at all… I’ve seen social media users make better colorations of the bat. Very sad.

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Rewards overlapping per rated bracket: this is a major problem I’ve made a post like this before to no avail but with all the forms of rated content now, you’re just funneling players to brackets with higher inflation because the rewards are easier to obtain in said brackets. This was observed in DF when shuffle mmr was insane, it’s now being seen in TWW with blitz mmr being insane.

Suggestion: Spread the wealth.

• 3s should have seasonal elites at 1800, recolors of old elite sets (up to Legion, have them seasonally rotate) at 2000 or 2100 & a gladiator mount (2400 + 50 wins). 2s should have access to the same rewards outside of gladiator mounts.

• BGB should have recolors of BfA S1/S2 Elite Sets unlocked at 1800 & Armored Gryphon/Wyvern mounts for Strategist (2400). (Stromgarde Alliance Red or Bleeding Hollow Horde Green BfA S1/S2 sets for example).

• Shuffle should have seasonal elites at 1800, the 1950 illusion, unique armored shuffle legend mount (different from gladiator 2400 + 100 wins) & pennant.

Shuffle/Blitz/2s/3s should have their own ‘final boss’ mount, not sure why exactly m+/raids/delves get their own separate, unique mounts but rated PvP content should as well.

Shuffle/Blitz/2s/3s should have their own ‘final boss’ mount, not sure why exactly m+/raids/delves get their own separate, unique mounts but rated PvP content should as well.

Every bracket is different & every bracket should be shown love in different ways as not to create the ‘path of least resistance’.

That being said: Add a tyranny illusion at 2.4 that is accessible by all brackets, have it the same color per expansion (not season).

For example: TWW should have been a lightning blue/black tyranny.

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Non-rated (honor level) system has been extremely neglected, I think the last time it got love was in BfA iirc.

A prune for honor levels probably needs to happen, or a new track.

I won’t go into much detail about this but for those of you that have played Hearthstone’s Battlegrounds, something like that would be nice to have per season.

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Thank you for reading, I know this is mostly a rant/vent & I don’t expect much traction but voicing my opinion may encourage more people to speak up as well.

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Ive missed you :saluting_face:

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:saluting_face:

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bro got the blue sword dipped then came back after being awoken from the smell of a trash gladiator mount recolor for the 3rd season in a row. I NEED BLACK TYRANNY NOW!

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Saw the glad mount & did this:

https://media1.tenor.com/m/aJPtwyiIspYAAAAd/carl-athf.gif

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There really isn’t tho. If you think about it 5k x 15 (players x monthly sub) is 75k a month. That’s not much when the upkeep for the servers and salaries are much higher.

It’s obvious why they care less when PvP players are dwindling and most people who dabble in PvP even if just a little will never see most of these rewards.

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Just stop for one day.

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You act like there has to be dedicated servers just for it.

It would exist on the same servers that the rest of the game is present in.

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2s should have glad too, otherwise reasonable.

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Ehh ill be honest they could add the glad mount to every bracket and its still not changing anything if only a small % of a small % of people will get it. Yall need to stop asking yourselves what you want changed and start looking at what could change to bring more pve’ers and new players back to pvp.

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I actually think making rewards easier leads to more people quitting. Players would never admit it but they stay motivated to play trying to reach lofty goals the game sets for them and I have seen many quit after finally get Glad once it was lowered to 2400. They felt like they achieved the thing they’ve been chasing and lose interest. Also, I don’t think there’s been any indication whatsoever that making elite sets and other stuff easier to obtain has led to an increase in participation (again I think it’s been the opposite).

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This is literally perfectly said and should be posted and stickied for Blizz to see every day.

Show us the new PvP player retention data between Wotlk → Leg and then BFA → Now.

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Yea the biggest increase was sl right when some pvp gear was bis in pve correct? Im just saying the system is dieing and glad mounts to other brackets wont fix anything. There is so many different variables to consider tho which has kinda led us where we are. You make some pvp bis in pve again and youll have those folks raging til it gets changed like last time. And as far as mogs go some people prolly just dont see it worth thier time. At least for me its the case. Hit 1600 for early 4pc and havent q’d a game since. Rating really doesnt matter to a player like me. Im sure im not the norm but i know im not alone.

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No you’re not. I’ve constantly heard PvE players say “lol no one cares about PvP.” I mean this isn’t a PvP game there are much better ones out there. The issue is overall players have gone down so there is a smaller pool to draw from for PvP of people that might be interested.

Making rewards easier or harder won’t do much to change things. Because most current players already figured out what they do or don’t want to do. The only way to make things better is to get more players playing WoW in general.

I do think making rewards harder will kill the players who already do play PvP tho. Because it’s an uphill battle going against long time vets when they could just do anything else that doesn’t take as much effort and is worth their time.

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I’m not sure but it definitely led to a big increase in PvP participation so that’s a good point to bring up.

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Disagree
People in my circles and outsude have actually started engaging in pvp because of the elite sets. Yes they attain the set and leave in the same way I get my 2k m+ mount and stop doing mythics. Thats perfectly fine.

Blizzard could release the coolest glad mount ever, like rideable savannah bond with golden saddles and people would not care to pvp, find partners, reach 2400 and get the wins. The glad mount has been relegated to somethinf basically unonbtainable and people are fine with it. A cool glad mount wont bring pvpers. But making the glad mount an amount of wins at 2100 idk is gonna make people queue 100% because that is attainable. (I dont actually want that, I want them to keep the glad rewards where they are, otherwise you devalue the rewards).

Wow pvp is its own niche, it wont attract more people. All I want them to do in pvp is keep a nice balance. Thats all I want and cool pvp sets.

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Seeing people upset over glad mounts. I know for a fact ill never have one. I have ever saddle mount though lol. Oh and trading post mounts

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add glad and glad mount to 2s ty bye

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Bitter posting

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What? I said that’s what PvErs say. Which is true.