Nice try, but I’m known for being hard anti- GDKP/RMT.
If it was up to me, I’d perma ban all gold buyers and all GDKP raid leaders. GDKPs are an RMT fest and it’s been know for a long time that all big server GDKPs sell that gold back to players. What else do you think happens with all “Admin cuts”. when 1 discord runs 15-20 raids/week? They sell it for $$$
But anyway, I’ve farmed 114 mounts, over 8.4k achieve points not to be thrown away to a DOA server with 10 people on it.
I demand that Blizzard gives us a fresh Wotlk era server forever locked to phase 1. Anything after that was the start of the slippery slope to retail. If I don’t get this server I will unsubscribe forever.
I personally think it would be wild if we were given a different route. Blizzard gives us a fresh Wrath server with a twist. We get everything Wrath has to offer, but we start at a 60 level cap and play Vanilla, progress to TBC, then Progress to Wrath in a cycle.
So we’d have DK, BE Paladin, Draenei Shaman out the gate, but we’d have the actual official progression of the game through the expansions up to Wrath and then cap it there. Could do LFG, Dual spec, further expand upon Gammas if they wanted to, even spice it up by letting us get things like looms from the DMF or other outlets like they did the Garrosh Heirlooms in MoP as early as Vanilla and power them up as each expansion goes on. We’d have a new tank class, talents that would fix tank and DPS disparities, both Horde and Alliance having Paladin and Shaman offering a wider selection of characters for the raid scene. They could even SoM it by increasing boss health and challenge if they wanted to make up for the fact we’d have the WotLK talents and such.
They already have the SoM stuff tweaked from the last time, they’d have plenty of time in a cycle to do the same for TBC with it being temporary and they could leave Wrath untouched and make it our final home.
I side with you against gold buying. I have participated in GDKPs in the past at lvl 60, but since i was a resto shaman I did not have much loot competition. I definitely lost items to whales who likely bought gold, and it is unfortunate that gold selling/buying is basically inseparable from GDKP. Without all that RMT and bots, GDKP would been fine, with classes like mages having a slight edge because they can farm extra “DKP” outside of raid more efficiently. It sounds like you have no interest in playing on a wrath era server. My option #2 in the original post would accommodate you perfectly–your server and your characters will move onto cataclysm and you’re on your way.
I honestly had tons of fun crushing naxx with the boys, but my lava burst sure didn’t hit as hard back then as it does now! Maybe I will change my mind after I get destroyed by all the shadowmournes coming online. Good luck, but I do not think a phase 1 locked wrath era server is likely to happen.
This is indeed a wild idea! Sounds fun and with SoD coming out, maybe Blizzard is open to trying new ideas like this. I am going to keep hoping for what I consider to be the easiest way to make many people happy, which is my option #2 in the original post.
I think either of these are great solutions Azarc, I hope Blizzard reads this and hears the community feedback. I personally believe both Cata and Wrath can Co-Exist together and I think people fail to realize those that enjoy Wrath won’t play Cata and those that enjoy Cata won’t play Wrath so the argument of fragmentation is somewhat redundant honestly
Even if they added wrath era Blizzard is going to make it’s best guess as to which group is the majority and move the minority to new servers. It’s clear that their guess is that the substantial majority is going to cata since they’re not even planning on a wrath era.
Thank you for your support, Flaco. Earlier in the thread I said that fragmentation is a legitimate concern, but only because there are now 3 versions of vanilla. I think it would be totally fine if they had era servers for each expac, because as you said–people are going to play their preferred expac and not the others. Perhaps we are a different type of player, and there are others who simply go where the winds of Blizzard takes them.
I agree with you that this is Blizzard’s sentiment. That’s why I made this the default condition in my argument, with wrath era being the new servers a player must intentionally select. Trying to make it as easy as possible for Blizzard to accommodate wrath era players.
No. Hope you enjoy cata.
Blizzardo
What do you mean by “no”? Thank you for the well wishes, but I do not intend to play cataclysm.
People always say that about WoW: I WILL NOT PLAY THAT! - A few weeks before release they get hyped and play it anyways lol. You don’t have a lot of options if you want to continue playing your char.
I agree this describes a lot of WoW players. What is cool about my option #2 in the original post is that anyone who chooses to transfer to a wrath era server and later decides to play cataclysm, they will have to purchase a server transfer.
Your statement may very well apply to myself! I do know two things though. I’m done with progression raiding and I would like to have a wrath era server that I can pop in to do battlegrounds from time to time on my complete character. RBGs sound cool so I might be one of those people who would buy a clone to play on both wrath era and cata.
For the same reason there is no TBC era, there is no WOTLK era.
Probably be mixed in as seasonal with TBC SOD and WOTLK SOD down the road.
If they choose to create a wotlk era server it should be the following:
These 3 things would ensure that it isn’t fragmenting the population and keeps the WOTLK truthers true to their request.
That being said, it would be sunset pretty quickly, because when faced with those truths, all of a sudden no one would want to play on it.
I agree, and it is because all three of your criteria are active deterrents. Why a separate sub fee? There is not even a separate sub fee for retail vs all the classic iterations. I do not purchase or sell tokens so I am indifferent to that point. Why require 12 month subs all purchased at the same time? Why a sub-meter? These ideas are not requirements for a wrath era server, they are punishments. My option #2 in the original post accommodates both wrath era and cataclysm players.
There are many people who will unsub without wrath era, why not capture them? There are many people who would buy a clone to play mostly on cataclysm and also occasional pvp and raids on wrath era, why not take their money?
I’d like an option to stay at 80 and make a new character for Cataclysm but if it gets forced then I won’t complain.
What I really want is the talents and graphics to stay as they are. Changing those killed Retail for me.
My option #2 in the original post would accommodate you perfectly!
Bumping this thread for others. Please read my argument #2 in the original post. A wrath era server created with character transfers and character cloning available until Cataclysm prepatch. You might have to rename your character, but it’s a compromise to get wrath era.
Let customers play what expansion they enjoy
Blizz you are getting your 15 a month if they are around
Hey guess what? If they can’t play it here they will go to private servers. The way it’s always been
I have 0 interest in cata & just like all those years ago will be quitting - If you had some support for TBC or Wrath you wouldn’t be losing many thousands of paying subs
Plus there is zero customer support & rampant bots so it’s not fun anyways
whether it makes a profit or loses money. Why do you put profit over giving each and every person exactly the game they want? You’re just an evil money grubbing corporation if you won’t give us games that loses you money.
it would lose them very little money to host two RP/PVE and PVP servers for TBC and Wrath respectively, by not allowing these choices to play they will lose subscribers like myself & countless others. I would rather quit the game than play cata
Blizzard found out selling the Celestial Steed mount made them far more profits than actual games, so they are raking in millions with the instant boosts / upgrades
they are really over estimating the amount of people that would even want to play cata lol
i give it at least a month before
How much money do you think a for profit company should lose to give you what you want? Like should McDonalds start giving away small fries for free since it would lose them very little money?