Cata content difficulty?

Watch me not play Cata. You actually believe that I want to play that crap.

If I want to go look at the old zones that were changed after DW came out, I can go and do that now in current day WoW, if I want to do RBGs, I can do that now in current day WoW, if I want to play arenas and have there be no 5v5 arenas then I can do that in current day WoW to. I heard 5v5s are getting removed for Cata and guess what? I seem to be 100% right about that as ZERO of you have said otherwise.

That right there is already another massive reason of why I am not playing. I bet they will mess up feral druids and boomkins for this version of Cata.

The PvE in it is much harder than anything in Wrath. Raids got too difficult for the average person, they couldn’t handle it and it was very difficult to find a raid group so they added RF during Cata for that reason…which gives out super crappy gear anyways.

Cata IS retail WoW.

Oh but you play a rogue. You will like Cata for that. Rogues are good in Cata…but what it come out on a custom balance patch just as Wrath is in right now.

I will NOT play Cata. I promise you that. And people like you keep trying to force me to play Cata.

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There’s going to be way more than 1,000 people playing Cataclysm mate.

No it isn’t for starters the name.

No one’s forcing you to do anything.

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10/10 schizo ramblings, would lose brain cells reading again.

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It is so, SO ironic that you pull out the schizo insults against me yet again. You do that in every single thread you ever talk to me in ever. And you do it to other people too. Apathy…is the worst stages of schizophrenia. I’m pretty sure that you actually have it at this point. You are always talking about taking meds and how I need them for my schizo stuff and even named one of the meds in a thread that very likely you are taking.

And yes I am getting FORCED to play Cata IF I want to keep playing my Wrath toons, there is ZERO other way to play ANY of my Wrath toons if I do not move them over to a Cata server. So if that is not FORCING someone to do something, then I don’t know what is.

And once again, you liked your own comment. It showed up as unknown/deleted user who liked your comment. But the like just went away. And yes I am getting forced against my will to play Cata if I want to play my toons from Wrath ever again.

Still the irony of your nonstop bringing up schizo type stuff in every single thread that you talk to me in and do it to some others too… your name is literally a type of schizophrenia. And the fact that you were able to name the exact medication for it on another thread further points to it being your own personal issue that you are trying to put onto others.

I get what you’re saying about the wow token… but, pallies? Ret Palas are op af in cata.

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Hahahahahahaha holy ramblings.

I haven’t said “schizo” in at least half a year, excluding this use in quotes and the previous post. You can also go back and quote me on my previous posts to you outside of this thread. Go on. If I say it so often then surely you can quote me from any of my recent replies to you.

You won’t quote me though because you can’t, but what you will do is prove me right. You literally just go off on tangents, just like the very first post you made in this thread. It’s sad.

10/10 would lose more brain cells again, keep up the good work buddy.

Edit: couldn’t forget, no where on my character sheet is a space goat shaman. Homie literally liked and unliked the post, but you go on another schizo moment about how he’s my alt lmao

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lol this thread went to hell fast

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It almost always goes down this route, the people that dislike Cata comes out, says their piece then those that are tired of seeing it respond and then it just spirals from there.

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If you’re used to WotLK heroics then you may be surprised by the difficulty spike in Cata, but it might not be as rough as it was 15 years ago because a lot of players will already know the mechanics.

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I love that people assume Classic was strictly in reference to Vanilla style when it was meant as Classic to that era

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Thank you, the only player out of the 10 bickering to actually answer my question!

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I’d love it if we could skip straight to MoP honestly. MoP was peak! Very much looking forward to Cata to get MoP :heart:

In OG Cata each trash pack would have like 6-7 things and you had to sap,sheep,shackel undead or fear two of them or the group would steam roll you. (note: in Cata warlocks get a glyff that makes feared people stand in place trembling instead of running crazy pulling everything. However at the end of cata they nerfed it so you can just group the 7 up and AOE them. we don’t know which version we will yet.

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Heroic dungeons at launch are definitely a step up, and a lot of fun. The increase in difficulty comes from the fact the mobs in trash packs have dangerous abilities that need to be dealt with, the dungeon bosses are a lot more complex than the dungeon bosses in Wrath, and, at launch you cannot over-gear the content and brute force your way past the skill checks.

If you can find a dedicated team of players to farm these with during pre-raid, you’ll have a great time. RDF at launch will be interesting. I think the player base for Cata Classic will be much better as original Cataclysm was populated by many neophytes, whereas this time around it’s veterans of the franchise/genre that have been playing for over a decade, almost two in some cases.

The two dungeons that come to mind when I think of people having fits over launch difficulty are Grim Batol and Stone Core. No surprise to anyone that was there before. Those two dungeons are outliers in that the trash pulls and bosses form start to finish are challenging at launch all the way up to the point you start acucmulating 359 gear from normal Tier 11 raids.

While those two are the standouts, many dungeons have challenging fights/achievements that stand out as well. The escape sequence from Heroic DM, “Headed South” in Lost City, the first and last boss of Vortex Pinnacle, the second boss in Black Rock Descent are the fights that come to mind without doing any research.

You will need all five players paying attention and able to handle the mechanics or things get rough. Even losing a lowly damage dealer on a boss fight can mean your doom because you will fail a DPS check via a mechanic, enrage timer, or you won’t be able to kill the boss before your healer runs out of mana. Healer mana and healing in Cata… that’s a topic that could/should be discussed in it’s own thread. That change alone makes dungeons at launch a lot more difficult that anything people were used to save for some of the harder heroic dungeons during TBC luanch.

Raid difficulty is also a step up in Cata. Tier 11 has some very difficult bosses. In many cases, the bosses are harder on 10 player difficulty compared to 25 because you have fewer people to deal with mechanics, and the loss of one player on 10 is very hard to recover from. Fights that come to mind are Halfus (easiest boss in tier 11 but tight window on mechanics), Ascendant Council, Cho’Gall, Nefarian and Al’Akir. Even on normal those fights will be more challenging than most of what was seen prior, save for the hardest of bosses in Wrath. On heroic, you could almost count the fights in all of the previous raids (pre-nerf Vashj & KT, Muru, Kil’Jaeden, Yogg one/zero, Firefighter, Arthas) on one hand that are as difficult as six bosses from the first tier on heroic (Ascendant Council, Cho’Gall, Sinestra, Al’Akir, Omnotron, and Nefarian).

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I think the difficulty will be much more a mentality of the community adjusting to how the game plays in Cata over the content before.

Right now, for example, its fairly common to just stand in the fire. Ignore mechanics. Just DPS burn it to the ground so you only have to do the “dance” once instead of two or three times.

These things are a lot more punishing in Cata. Healers will run out of mana due to reckless abandonment and ignoring mechanics if the abilities themselves just don’t outright kill you for doing so. So a lot of DPS players are going to probably learn the hard way that “one more gcd for my parse” is a death. Tanks also have to learn to be more proactive in keeping themselves alive. Just putting on insanely bad tanking gear to do more damage probably gets you kicked over along with that mechanical issue. Healers will have to adjust to mana being a resource you have to mind, someone being at 95% doesn’t mean snap instant cast to snipe while also minding all those mechanical things too.

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It is my understanding, they stated they were dropping a patch that contains nerf’d dungeons.

Well not really. If you are talking about when Cataclysm first came out, that was also the time that Facebook came out and started the Social Media revolution. It wasn’t just WoW, Social Media ate the MMO’s lunch.

From that point on MMO was no longer the new incredible thing, it settled back into being a nitch industry for gammers.

Facebook launched in 2004, before vanilla.

I think a bigger change was smartphones. The iPhone launched in summer 2007, and in a few years smartphones went from rare to everyone having one.

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Ouch, yeah. Grim Batol pulls very much warrant CC, and the early Stonecore pulls are also rough if DPS don’t focus the mob that evolves.

I never played endgame cata, but I remember the leveling dungeons were no pushovers. Most pugs that I played we ended up wiping a few times. If you’re pugging while leveling, better prepare for that.

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