I see a lot of theads talking about the gearing issues players are having and things. It always seems to devolve into. “Oh you just want free gear as a casual.”
Honestly that’s not the case. Nobody wants free gear they want to be able to feel like they’re progressing when they play. Doesn’t matter if it’s 2 hours a day they play they should feel that they made 2 hours of progress if they finished the fights.
I’m not even sure what people think is casual anymore. A pvp cr of 1600 is casual. M10 is casual. Normal Nath is casual.
As a casual I’ve done all of those so far with just lfg and playing clean.
it was never the so called “casuals” that wanted free gear, or are complaining.
it is a particular group of entitled whiners who refuse to do any content that drops gear what so ever that is complaining and want free gear from trivial contents.
I am pretty casual myself and it is annoying that “Casual” gets lumped with these entitled whiners.
actually I would go farther and say most of the gear complaints come from people doing M+5 or higher, raiding higher than LFR etc. not casual players and the reasoning is simple, for a casual player the gear progression is actually quite good, between 194 WQ, 197 Cov gear, 207 from world bosses and 203 from purple calling boxes. The actual casual experience (playing alone and enjoying the game) is really good this expansion.
I think some people want character progression that doesn’t involve high end dungeons and raids. And that’s fine, and fair, and in my opinion all players should have that option. They kind of do, but that progression hits a wall and to progress further you have to do the more challenging content.
But a lot of the complaint threads I’ve seen indicate that many people do, indeed, believe their $15 a month warrants free Mythic raider level gear, without having done that kind of challenging content.
I dont like to make generalizations but that’s just what I’ve seen.
If I run 10 keystones in a week, LFR for the trinkets and a timewalking raid, and get literally zero drops that week, then I feel like I’ve put in enough effort/time to warrant getting at least a piece of gear.
Most people’s definition of “casual” is so narrow that hardly anyone would fit in their category.
I see way too many complaint threads from self-declared elites and their stockholm syndrome friends complaining about “Those people who are playing the game wrong and should be stopped.”
I’ve been a “Hardcore” raider, and now pretty casual. I personally feel my gear level is fine where it is, for the content I do. It’s actually more then I need. People wanting gear for progression, in a play style that doesn’t need gear for progression I feel is odd.
Heck, I’m even leveling a rogue right now, to do Mythic+ that way, since DH are underperforming as DPS and my old guildy friend prefers to tank(We were co-tanks back in the day, and I was off DPS when only certain tanks were needed)
Casuals like me, are progressing. But we’re attempting all the content the game has, instead of wearing blinders and focusing on the solo only content.
The problem is most of the people complaining about a lack of gear path don’t consider that “casual”. Instead they want WQ content that rewards gear on that level.
Free isn’t subjective. Free means you get something for nothing. In this case, you MUST do work in order for the vault to give loot. Therefore, you had to do something for it to happen = not free.
They want world quest content that is at least mildly fun and feels rewarding, as though it was worth their time playing the game and they’re a little bit ahead of where they were before they sat down and played for 3 hours.
Do you prefer feeling like your entire play session was wasted? Or do you just think that’s all those people deserve?
This is your own personal definition.
“Free” means none of us paid cash money up front for our rewards. This “I worked this game like a job for 16 years and screw you for not doing so” is absurd.
The casual whiner is a byproduct of the hardcore “you can’t sit with us” crowd. It’s a direct counter to it, as a means to balance the gear discrepancy, as to not be made completely irrelevant.
I wager just as many hardcore players would be as fine with “free gear upgrades” as any casual; the difference being the comfort level of the availability of such gear to anyone else, where the casual couldn’t care less if others can acquire the gear, but hardcore players feeling that their efforts are wasted, or the content irrelevant, if just anyone can acquire it.
The motivation for upgrades being the same for both sides as a means to clear content easier, the main difference being one group (perhaps both) using the gear as a status symbol as well.
Look feeling like you’re progressing isn’t just gear. Which is kinda my point. Casuals don’t care about gear. If they did we’d all join mythic guilds and raid log.
I’d love to feel that I’m making progress in other ways. Maybe not make cosmetics from world quest elites have a 5% drop rate, or th precursor to a mount quest chain having more than a 6% drop. These are the things casuals like.
With covenant gear at 197 and WQs at 194 you don’t have much more room. You are already pushing the same starting ilvl of the normal raid and mythic+ 6 reward levels.
No and to ensure that doesn’t happen I do content that I know you will reward me with what I am looking for. I am not going to be milling around doing WQs if I want 213+ gear.
Sadly, you’re in the minority there. Every time this thread comes up, the OP of the topic and others admit to wanting better gear then they have currently, equal or near Ranked PvP or Mythic Raiding level.