Remove shoes too so its painful to walk to the battlemasters. Why make it easy? 
I think most people would be fine with leaving it as two quests from quest givers in dal and removing any of the other rewards.
The problem is reasonable solutions tend to get lost in the people making wildly exagerated statements about how bad LFD is.
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It literally used to be that way and we got by just fine…
People are also making wild exaggerations about dungeons rewards. They added a bag as extra incentive for tanks later on. DPS tho? Maybe 5 gold and a gem that’s worth an additional 5 gold.
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So fine blizzard added Battlemasters in the city you could queue at.
Are you saying that if LFD required you to go to a city to queue it would be perfectly fine?
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no no no, because you’re still JuSt StAnDiNg in town Qing. BG can do this and be fine, suddenly its an issue with dungeons.
On this, I ABSOLUTELY hate faction vs faction BGs. I fought hard against them, AFK out of them if I get into one, and stopped playing my horde completely in BGs and only played my alliance and less often. One of my only threads is asking for an opt-out because of how immersion-breaking I find it, and /afk is the only opt out.
I would have unsubbed over this too had I not cared about raiding as well, because it’s very much harmed my enjoyment of BGs and was pretty much the worst thing they could have done, for me personally, and I understand that this is not for most, it matters WAY more than the RDF thing.
The reason I stopped talking about this is that there’s no point as nothing is going to change, and some people especially horde players got mad at me for doing so. Others fought on my side but it’s done and over and we aren’t going back.
On the portal thing, I still have great memories 17 years later of having fun world PVPing outside of the portals, and doing BGs on your own server was fun. I do see downsides and am not upset about this part like FvF (which I consider totally against the spirit to Classic). This argument could have only really been used for Classic though.
I’m OK with people wanting RDF in Wrath, and people fighting for what will make their game better just like I do for what I care about, but some people didn’t want the FvF BGs, etc either. It’s not like this was universally loved. A lot of people didn’t want them. Just saying that some people see things differently and have different priorities.
The portal thing alone sure, there hasn’t been a ton of pushback. Some people have said they wanted only same server BGs.
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Not only do you hae to walk to the BG, but uphill twice too.
Social interactions in BGs are the best…
The people who want same server BGs and same server RDF are actually ignorant. they could be the smartest person IRL but asking for those things is horribly short sighted.
If there’s no RDF ill still play and enjoy my time doing so somewhat probably, I’m definitely disheartened and less excited then I was before, very random and out of the blue decision. Most people had a incredibly reasonable expectation for it to be implemented in classic wrath and the push back is warranted in my view.
I love doing dungeons, its one of the main reasons I play this game as my primary MMO. I don’t care if there’s no reward i need from a dungeon, if its fun I want to do it when I can. remove the “rewards” attached to using the RDF idc, its a big time dick move to ask for it ,and honestly just petty, to have no rewards but that’s the player base now.
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Remove the teleporting period imo, if players want to queue for a dungeon. Travel to the dungeon and queue from there.
If players want to queue for a bg, travel to the bg and queue from there.
Getting to the place isn’t the issue, forming groups is.
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Based thread.
Remove the queue for PvP, make everyone go to the Battleground area for queuing!
My post wasn’t meant to be about the same server BGs, they wouldn’t be a good idea IMO. I talked about that in one sentence and said that.
The part I quoted talks about “cross-faction play” as if no one cares that and the OP talks about it too. This was a hot topic in the same way that RDF is now.
I’m saying that I don’t like horde vs horde BGs and alliance vs alliance BGs and that to me this mattered to my gameplay much more than RDF, because for dungeons I group with guildies etc, but I also said that everyone has different priorities and it’s fine if people want RDF and want to post on the forums about it.
I guarantee that the FvF in BG thing was just as important to me as RDF is for you.
What I am saying is that people have different priorities. Look at Trunchbull, they want people to go to the portals for both things.
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my misunderstanding then.
I probably feel the same as you with same faction BG’s. I mean sure it sometimes lowers wait times but man that must not be a fun BG for the person stuck with the opposite faction.
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I don’t think anybody really wants anybody to go to the portals. This thread is about hypocrisy. The anti-LFG gang keep going on about how not travelling to dungeons and not spamming in trade will wreck the server community.
Then an honest question about why it’s ok for have BG queues gets asked and all of sudden the anti crowd goes… “It’s hard to find 20-40 people”. Meanwhile, for every 50 DPS who’d want to Q up for a dungeon, there is probably 1 tank and 3 healers out there.
Sarcasm gets lost in text. The sentiment has been, why is one Queue good while the other one isn’t?
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And unlike CRBG’s LFD has a very easy opt out, you just form groups as you do now and run dungeons exactly the same as you have been. There is zero option for same server BG’s or non FvF BG’s for those that would want it.
And yeah i really dislike FvF BG’s too, it’s completely disorienting and immersion breaking to get onto the other faction’s side…
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Um no, “we” didn’t.
There is a reason why battlemasters were added in TBC.
There is a reason why cross faction was added earlier to classic.
There is a reason why mercenary mode was added to classic (that’s 100% not classic)
There is a reason why PvP Queue UI was added in Wrath.
Same goes for LFD. There is a reason why Summon stones were added. And there is a reason why RDF was added.
Unlike dungeons, PvP actually has a competitive scene. No1 queues for dungeons in BIS T10 Heroic to cleave through Gundrak. But A6 folks do queue for RBG together to have fun.
PvP queue is in fact WORSE than Dungeon queue
Yep. If they want to keep us on flight masters cuz it apparently it makes us more social, so be it. But it has to be equal.
Amen to that. What can I say. Only seems fair to me.
Indeed it is!
Removal of RDF is just lazy dev work. Instead of actually investigating what would help “muh community” better the classic devs arbitrarily decided LFD is the big bad.
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I wouldnt specifically queue for Gundrak unless a friend or guildie needed it but I most definitely do queue when im in all BIS gear just to stomp the dungeon, its funny to do
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