I’m so torn between Night Fae and Necrolords…
On one hand, Night Fae is the most lore legitimate for Druid. It feels the most “at home”. As a player who enjoy PvP as well, Convoke the Spirits seem pretty solid for a burst ability (although unfortunately I sense nerfs in the future). Soulshape is meh, but I suppose can provide some burst mobility even for a Druid.
On the other hand, Necrolords have one the best abilities for PvP with Fleshcraft and its CC immunity. Adaptive Swarm is great for Druids of all specs, but thematically inferior to Night Fae for a Druid.
Anyone else running into this fork in the road? =(
Eh, not between those two. I’m
Fairly certain I’ll go night fae as a primary pvper who also likes his fair share of sprinkled mythic content.
Adaptive swarm feels horrible to press I’d imagine. Totally boring buff that isn’t highly impactful and has absolutely zero aoe use. In pvp it can and will be dispelled as often as your dots. Fleshcraft has its use in the opening gates of arena but after that, it’s only good for trolling inexperienced pvpers. Such a long cd for a spell that can maybe meme a kidney shot if you happen to use it pricesely when the rogue does. Otherwise any higher rated person will simply stop the cast or wait it out and then cc afterwards.
Convoke at least is fun to press and while we don’t lack mobility, more of it is never a bad thing. Wild charge, stamp roar, and dash have cds. Overall for thematic reasons, and fun factor, I’ll go night fae most likely.
If I were to be torn between any it’d be between NF and Kyrian as the latter is the best in all content if fully optimized. It also suffers from supremely boring play that only is impactful on meters. You wouldn’t notice/feel otherwise. Plus it’s damage may not even show up on your details to be honest. It’s wonky.
Venthyr is good for all content, less so in pvp, however it’s solely based around a long cd and frankly I don’t like super long stat buffing cds. Plus as a primary pvper it’s less appealing. Necro doesn’t even really tickle my interest so, I’ll go NF and hope the convoke gets altered/buffed for slightly more control. Otherwise I’ll enjoy occasionally absolutely melting people with it.
1 Like
I did. I’m going Night Fae…for theming. its a RPG after all.
Glad I’m not a min/maxer…
1 Like
I’m not really impressed with Adaptive Swarm. It doesn’t feel well and doesn’t do much. So you were right. Fleshcrafting is kinda cool, but I’m not a huge fan of it being channeled and a 2 min CD. This leaves Night Fae or Venthyr which I have yet to try.
I am CRIPPLED WITH INDECISION so badly that I’ve gotten four characters to 52 and still can’t make up my mind about anything. 
4 Likes
I was torn between those two also. Decided to just go Night Fae for now. Adaptive Swarm is very meh for resto compared to convoke.
Night Fae also has more interesting soulbind trees.
Lol I feel badly for you.
Indeed. I couldn’t see myself using adaptive swarm. I’m like 80% pvper with 20% m+ and such. I don’t mind raids and pug myth is as often as I can when needed but my work schedule doesn’t allow traditional guild raids. That said, I want something that performs fairly well in all aspects. I’ll take good at both over amazing at one and useless in the other.
Adaptive swarm has zero aoe component and is lackluster on st without the entire Reid macro’ing cancel auras to manipulate it. Super unfun.
Ravenous frenzy is actually very good in all pve scenarios however I hate being tied to super long cds. I hate it. And sure, pairing it with CA is just insane amounts of burst but… meh. As far as pvp though, it’s not nearly as useful. Borderline useless in high rated games honestly.
The kyrian one is honestly the most well rounded. Moderate damage modifier on a short cd. Can use in aoe or ST so it’s great in m+ since it just blankets a damage increase. It’s great in pvp because it lines up with go’s nicely. Bad thing about it is it’s just super boring. Entirely passive damage increase you won’t necessarily feel and in pve it’s full potential comes from giving someone else more dmg, not really yourself. It’s just… meh.
Convoke is a longer cd than I’d like. 1.5 min would feel better but honestly for how strong it can be, I suppose 2m is fair. It’s wicked fun to press, and is thematically druid to its core. It’s good on ST fights, and situationally good in pvp. I enjoy skill cap abilities and burst is king in pvp. Not a 30s burst window like frenzy, but a 4s one. It’s simply more fun to press. Downside is in aoe it’s not as useful so for m+ it’s one of the weaker options however I casually do 15-20’s. Maybe venture into 22s but I don’t push them because I don’t care about them much. Only for gear or boredom. Besides it’ll still be good for the bosses, it just won’t help in large aoe pulls because I don’t think it even casts starfire. But hey, it’s early. Changes could happen.
Regardless, night fae makes me the most happy so I’m going with that. Kyrian is probably the smartest to go on paper but every time I delete someone with a nice convoke it’ll make it all worth it 
Disclaimer: Boomy perspective. Though I think for feral my thoughts wouldn’t change as everything is about the same except convoke is actually better for feral in aoe.
A lot of hate for adaptive swarm so choose that one because it will get buffed.
So far Convoke does seem like it’s nerf bait. Massive burst compared to the others so far. Not sure why wow head doesn’t recommend it.
I’m gonna go with the length of the CD in comparison to others and the RNG factor behind it. No way to guarantee what spells/abilities will go off
So far it melts packs and elites like no other ability. I still need to go back and test the other ones again but they weren’t even noticeable compared to this one. It’s like a combined a meme beam and twilight devastation.
lore wise? idk, my kul’tiran’s druid forms fit perfectly in Mal’draxis
1 Like
But how does it do over the course of an entire dungeon/raid compared to the others though?
I haven’t logged in and played yet to get a chance to test any of them out yet
Hard to tell because it doesn’t have a line item on the meters.
But rough guess is every two minutes it’s 2-3x DPS for the pull
Like I said, I haven’t really tried min maxing the others but so far they’re more a have to look at the meters to see if they’re doing anything at all type of ability.
No Kyrian love? I might still go Night Fae for Convoke but a 15% self dmg buff for 10 sec every 1 min and is insta cast with no GCD is pretty nice for PvP - at least from my perspective as a Boomy. And I kinda like going Super Saiyan lol.
Lines up perfectly with Solar Beam to then burst ppl down with Starsurge. Also comes with extra mastery from Pelagos soulbind for even more damage and every 3 min can be combined with Incarn.
Is insta and can’t be dispelled so there’s no counter whereas Convoke can be stopped with any kind of interrupt or CC - but i do agree Convoke is cooler and would feel more rewarding when it comes off.
2 Likes
But you should be able to go to a dummy, fire it off, and look at the abilities that were cast (both damage and healing) on the meters right?
Not sure if and where target dummies are in Ardenweld. just a zone ability at the moment.
Man. I was all for Necro before, but Flapz makes a good point. I don’t really like having to press Swarm so often. It sounds tedious. However, I saw Snupy testing Swarm with a BT/LI and the 40% dmg buff on dots leggo in pvp and looked pretty good. Only thing is it lacked FB dmg.
I’m also worried that Convoke will get nerfed again. They just buffed it to be 16 spells, but like mentioned it seems like nerf bait.
Also, finally. I love the Necro xmog, so ultimately I might just go with that lol. Thankfully my main is the 3rd class I level.
2 Likes
Been there lol. No idea who that dude is IRL, but he is one of the 2 or 3 folks on the druid forum that I tend to listen to a little more closely.
Edit: actually it’s like 5-7 people maybe…the druid forum has a lot of cool ppl on it.
1 Like
Ive been ganking horde as feral with convoke the spirits, because most people dont have a pvp trinket equipped it is: stun>convoke>dead, its so fun.