Keep up with the conversation. It has been defined many times.
There’s nothing wrong with paying the first place to carry you to the finish line, but the value beyond what a player values it for themselves is all that counts. If a player wants to use their participation or carried trophy as a means to demean others or try and make their opinion seem more important, that trophy’s value is zero.
So any commodity that doesn’t exist and there is a demand for it. Someone creates the supply, that shouldn’t exist?
Like someone having a bunch of gold and no means or time to run the raid for the kill. A guild that has it on farm can offer their services.
The reason I am against this being p2w is you arent winning. I did it once back in wod because I just didnt have time to play. I wanted my aotc mount. I had gold and no time to gear and run the raid.
So… I did both of these. Was it still p2w even though I used my own hard earned gold vs buying a token?
This is where you are absolutely wrong. First, blizzard is selling predatory tokens for gold. Second, people are getting achievements, titles, mounts, etc. by using gold and not skill. Third, kids are working in internet farms in 3rd world countries and are enslaved because of gold farming.
Hence, the reason I posted a guide on making gold without the predatory token. I could have banked this myself, but the entire practice of predatory tokens is wrong. Sure, ptw will always exist. But Microsoft is big enough to not use it.
If I’m carrying someone it would be nice to get paid for it instead of doing something for them to get a reward for no effort, I would be more lenient than carrying and teaching a friend but a stranger would have to pay up either with gold or by supplying the key that I needed.
Besides, who do you think is spending extra amounts of gold on a recipe that won’t earn them back the money? By your definition, anything that costs the amount of gold a token would give would be pay to win so by trying to farm things that sell for a tokens worth or higher without driving the price down is trying to get people to buy tokens to buy the thing you are trying to sell.
Weird that for someone so concerned about people buying things with gold, you’re trying to push people to sell things that cost a tokens worth of gold.
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Your choice man. If your conscience is clear where that money comes from, then whatever. You do you.
I mean I don’t really care if they earn it by running the auction house, selling a token for gold, by running carries, auctioning off a raid drop, farming materials or deathrolling during trash. If you think the gold is bad, what you’re doing isn’t really changing where the gold is coming from, you’re just laundering it because you might not be the one buying the token but you would be taking gold from other people who might have bought a token to afford the thing you’re trying to sell.
So it is still strange to say that you are doing it because you don’t like tokens when your whole schtick with this topic is, “You buy token to buy this thing I farm to sell so I can afford this service I call P2W so I can say I didn’t buy a token to P2W.”
…Are you secretly enslaved in a gold farming operation trying to push people to buy your recipes?
Your personal definition is incorrect. Sorry. But also not sorry.
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Step zero. Paying for a subscription unless you use gold.
How is that pay to win? You haven’t paid for anything with real money. You’ve just farmed some gold and spent some gold.
I know people love to misuse the term, but damn, this takes the cake.
A title…that will most likely never be used. If used some may not care to know how grand it is. I personally on horde use easy fun ones. Like lumberjack from WoD. Its fitting when cutting down druids in tree form.
A mount…that joins the 200 others they never use. and more than half this game won’t know what it is.
I don’t see mounts in BG . I see the dude riding it. If on rogue, yeah ride that mount closer and…SAP! My SAP! knows no bias. All are equal to my eyes.
with the funny bit is there is no guarantee of drop.
RNG cannot be bribed. Even BT runs back in the day, both times, did not have gdkp gaurantee glaives would even drop to be bid on lol.
Illidan could not be bribed to increase drop rate lol. He was not completely corrupt after all lol.
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Thats $100 per week. And what did you win?
With your 625 gear, can you be accepted on M+ and Heroic Raid?
Too much playing. I’ll just hire a poor orphan child to grind gear and gold for me.
But if they end up being bad, I swear to N’Zoth somebody’s losing a finger or two.
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Blizzard tokens are 100% orphan-free.
If you want factory-raised orphan gold, you have to hit a shadier market. For 9.99 per million you can save a third world net cafe orphan from a lashing and stick it to Big Blizzard’s predatory player-gold driven token sales.
(This was sarcasm and not to be taken literally, if you want to buy gold, buy a token instead of risking an account ban. They are going to run out of orphans eventually)
OP says “pay to win” and instead posts how to play to win.
Unfortunately, as you joke, there are plenty of orphans.
omg that sounds miserable
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