why would anyone want that? i want to do keys with people who also want to do keys. if i raid, i want to raid with people who also want to raid.
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Wow, this is such a good point. Ive raided for a long time and the gear to effort ratio is garbage. My highest geared toon has barely any raid gear, and its because you rarely get upgrades and getting a specific item is magnitudes worse. Ive given up on heroic and higher raids because of it.
The problem isnt mythics dungeons, its the effort to get gear in a raid is awful and it needs to be looked at.
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So you are okay with it being locked behind +20 as long as it is easy? The way +20s are now is a complete joke, especially compared to the start of Shadowlands.
I’m talking about how raiding has a lockout and M+ doesn’t.
It’s the elephant in the room. You can’t balance things without addressing it.
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No, that’s called tuning, drama queen. M+ difficulty has been far easier than it’s reward structure for all of Shadowlands. It desperately needed this sort of adjustment, and we’ll have to see if even this is enough. They still need to get rid of the totally free ilvl bump that only M+ gets in the Vault, to start.
I don’t know why they insist on trying to encourage everybody to raid. We all know it’s there. Plenty of people don’t care and just wanna do their casual/solo stuff, keystones, pvp, etc.
Yeah, depleted 15 giving good gear isn’t ideal. Should’ve had it scale higher a long time ago.
How are they encouraging people to raid?
How would you change the loot lockouts?
Take the lockouts off of raiding, or slap a once-per-week lockout on each M+ dungeon. Either will work, take your pick.
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I’m anti timegate so I’d remove the lockouts.
Do you make it so M+ can get 421 without of the vault then?
If the difficulty is comparable, sure.
Most CE raiders won’t be seeing the bosses that will drop 421 gear until a month or two in. As long as only a small handful of M+ers are seeing the higher keys for the first few weeks, sure.
Historically, however, that hasn’t been the case.
I’m confident players will be doing 20’s before the 4th week. I’m also confident the same level and majority of the same pool of players will have CE by then. I’m not confident in what kind of ratio that will entail. Do 5,000 players have CE and KSH by then? Noooooooooo idea. Those players will be doing both Raid and M+ though.
The vast majority of M+ only players likely won’t see a full 4 piece until around month two. I highly doubt more than 1% of M+ only players are touching 20’s by then.
I wouldn’t be so sure.
The number of guilds that had finished Sepulcher after 4 weeks was 4.
A recurring problem has been that M+ is just way, way, way, way easier than raiding. Maybe the DF changes will fix that; we’ll have to see.
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You’re literally getting ML back.
Sorry what.
No. M+ keeps its loot buff TYVM.
M+'s lockout is the Great Vault. Unlike Raiding’s lockout, you get only 1 chance at it per week.
I don’t know how you guys go from “Hey, they buffed M+ loot” to “Oh crap, this forces me to raid”.
this is not killing m+, it’s differentiating the game modes. I don’t see the issue in equalizing KSH with CE.
oh please, if say shadowlands had m+ gear up to +30 hypothetically, to say raiders need to do +30 is insane.
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idk why raiders are asking for worse changes in keys lol it’s just hurting you if you do keys they need to quit throwing special gear in raids and start throwing it in dungeons raiding done ran it’s course in wow it’s all there was for gear forever way longer than keys have been around quit whining about keys and get your own raid loot drops fixed lol. and quit whing about thinking you have to do keys for yrs and yrs it used to always be raiders saying you want the loot do the content it’s amusing watching so many raiders throw a fit about having to keys when all they used to scream do the content get the loot lol.
Why though? This has never happened in any other expansion.
If their goal is to make 20s harder than they are now, people wont get them done for months. It’s not happening S1.
Maybe I’m thinking about this wrong.
It happened in SL S1, went and found the top boomkin that season and they had a 20 timed a few weeks into the season on 1/1/2020. Season 1 release 12/8/2020.
Doing a 20 is the equivalent of almost a 23 this season. So if they want that they need to scale it a little harder so a 20 in DF is like doing a 25 now.
It was a BIG mistake.