Can you sim a talent build if you dont have a character with it?

Looking to play a new class, and was wanting to sim some various build ideas. Obviously, I dont have a character with the build to load into something. Are there any sim tools that just let you load in a talent build?

I know gear makes a huge difference, but im mainly wanting to just see how various talents perform against each other.

You’d have to get a string for it. The rogue discord I know has multiple strings for different builds, not sure on many others.

Best bet would prob be to get a buddy and use his string, would give you a general idea.

To sim builds with RaidBots, you have to have the loadouts set up on your character.

Doesn’t look like you can… you do need a character string from the SimC add-on in-game to use Top Gear, which is the option to let you tweak talent builds.

I tried just looking up a top-rank rogue in Warcraft Logs and then using the Armory data for a Quick Sim, but the raw input from a Quick Sim done with the armory is not compatible with Top Gear input.

Here’s a SimC input for my L70 outlaw rogue (she doesn’t have any decent gear but it’s apples-to-apples if you just compare talent builds).

# Kalyndrae - Outlaw - 2023-05-19 10:53 - US/Proudmoore
# SimC Addon 10.1.0-04
# WoW 10.1.0.49570, TOC 100100
# Requires SimulationCraft 1000-01 or newer

rogue="Kalyndrae"
level=70
race=human
region=us
server=proudmoore
role=attack
professions=herbalism=59/mining=55
spec=outlaw

talents=BQQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFAAAgERSAkkEJtkkARkEJSSSSSIAAAAAAARLQSJJgEpEAAAA

# Saved Loadout: Quest
# talents=BQQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFAAAgERSAkkEJtkkARkEJSSSSSIAAAAAAARLQSJJgEpEAAAA

head=,id=200372,gem_id=192937,bonus_id=6652/8943/8828/9344/1469/8767/8780
neck=,id=201962,bonus_id=7937/8784/9377/1489/8767
shoulder=,id=199432,bonus_id=8943/6652/8822/8817/9343/1507/8767
back=,id=199450,bonus_id=8943/6652/8822/8819/9343/1507/8767
chest=,id=200369,enchant_id=6625,bonus_id=6652/8943/9343/8830/1462
shirt=,id=3427
wrist=,id=200744,enchant_id=6585,bonus_id=8821/8819/7979/6652/7936/1478/8767
hands=,id=200371,bonus_id=6652/8943/9343/8829/1462
waist=,id=199429,bonus_id=6652/7936/8822/8818/9345/1507/8767
legs=,id=200373,enchant_id=6489,bonus_id=6652/8943/9343/8827/1468
feet=,id=191991,enchant_id=6612,bonus_id=6652/1488/5864/8767
finger1=,id=201961,enchant_id=6568,bonus_id=7937/9377/1489/8767
finger2=,id=203460,enchant_id=6568,gem_id=204027/204000/204029,gem_bonus_id=9369:1472/9369:1472/9369:1472,bonus_id=1491
trinket1=,id=198542,bonus_id=6652/1437/5861/8767
trinket2=,id=198451,bonus_id=6652/1443/5858/8767
main_hand=,id=190509,enchant_id=6642,bonus_id=8836/8840/8902/9405/8845/8795/8796/8960/9365,crafted_stats=36/32,crafting_quality=5
off_hand=,id=199318,enchant_id=6645,bonus_id=8943/6652/9344/1517/8767

### Gear from Bags
#
# Bindings of Raging Tempests (385)
# wrist=,id=199430,bonus_id=8943/6652/7936/8822/8819/9343/1507/8767
#
# Ottuk Hide Grips (389)
# hands=,id=191992,bonus_id=6652/1491/5865/8767
#
# Ruby Contestant's Gloves (392)
# hands=,id=193721,bonus_id=8966/6652/8822/8817/9144/1614/8767
#
# Cinch of Forgotten Duty (389)
# waist=,id=193636,bonus_id=7977/6652/7936/8822/8818/9144/8965/1611/8767
#
# Soulblade Footpads (285)
# feet=,id=188908,enchant_id=6211,bonus_id=6652/1505
#
# Chronologically Unstable Loop (389)
# finger1=,id=201960,enchant_id=6568,bonus_id=7937/9377/1489/8767
#
# Etched Band of the Kirin Tor (35)
# finger1=,id=48954,enchant_id=5327
#
# Sands of Temporal Perfection (389)
# trinket1=,id=202015,bonus_id=9377/1489/8767
#
# Darkmoon "Sword" (1)
# main_hand=,id=77256

### Additional Character Info
#
# upgrade_currencies=c:2122:5/i:190453:4/i:198048:2
#
# slot_high_watermarks=0:395:424/1:389:421/2:385:424/3:385:415/4:389:418/5:385:421/6:385:421/7:395:424/8:392:434/9:389:424/10:382:415/11:385:424/12:0:437/13:60:385/14:408:424/15:395:408/16:10:421

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Thanks.

I know im on my rogue, so im absolutely gonna test this.

The class I was actually looking to sim was an enhancement shaman though

At least I know it can be done with the simc data given from someone else. I can just replace the talent string with whatever i create.