It can cc up to 3 people at once with the right circumstances and Frost’s damage profile compliments the setup and the specs it usually plays with much better. Oblit cleave is much more powerful than cleaving with scourge strike in a small instant damage window and the follow up dragon stun is also very strong.
Yeah that’s called setting up burst. Every spec does it. And it’s not nearly as effective as you’re making it out to be, otherwise frost dk wouldn’t be the garbage tier spec that it is.
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You seem overly hostile. I love Frost DK and it’s probably may favorite spec in the game and I play it. I’ve just seen the writing on the wall for the spec the last couple xpacs and as long as the spec can setup for a WW/Devoker the devs are content with it. And honestly if the spec could also run you down in between those goes it would be OP. I don’t like it but that’s how I see it.
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bro shut up people say this about every spec in the game when it’s good
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I mean we do, but I wouldn’t attribute frost dk being good as comparable to any other melee obviously.
Frost DK just makes the games inherently unfun to play because fo how it interacts with the game. Really can’t mess up the goes as FDK, and the damage is super spikey that you can kill through any cds. Combo that with 1 button class and it gets worse.
Any day rather frost dk over bm hunter however.
Grip, grip, rem freeze, drake, aoe obliterate for half your health x200000 sure have a free nerf on me
Sorry im just disagreeing, no hostility meant. Despite the complaints I’m hearing in this thread the facts don’t lie; frost is doing poorly in most aspects of PvP.
Frost dks setup + burst is simply not as strong as it’s made out to be and the spec should be buffed, regardless if people like playing against it or not.
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nice try, but no, that’s cheese too
Both dk dps specs could really use a rework imo but frost needs it bad.
We also need better pvp talents for every class, specs like ww and fdk have MAYBE 2 good pvp talents and the rest are outdated and or useless
Frost has less damage burning CDS then Unholy by almost 30%. I’ve been testing it out on the dummies single target for about an hour now and cant get it higher then 600k dps to 20million. Unholy i can pull close to 950k to 20 million and thats only 3 tries so far. Unholy has way better PvP abilities as well, i wouldn’t bother trying frost after trying out unholy and how it caters to PvP gameplay. Really sucks because i burnt crafting materials on a one hander with ascension.
the last time i saw a frost dk rank 1 on the 3s leaderboard was mes in season 1 shadowlands where trill was doing 3x everyone elses dmg as ww monk.
the reason i bring this up, is that whenever frost dk is good, there are always teams that figure out how to counter the go and outplay them.
so when people complain about frost dk goes being oppressive, they must be thinking about dflight season 2, and even then, frost dev was still being outplayed at higher ratings.
So really, its a git gud issue.
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Precisely. Every spec can sound strong on a forum post when you only list the strengths of it. But thats just it, they are the only strengths to it. Which can win you games in the lower bracket but once everyone knows thats all a DK has to offer its over
It is, but it doesn’t change that FDK fundamentally changes how a game is approached in a not fun way.
It’s just simply not fun to play against ,but nowhere near as bad as other outliers.
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Unholy needs more buffs than frost is the best part about this thread
Weirdly enough I actually think that both hero talents are fine for frost.
Also, fdk still has its niche; it’s cancer and a little undertuned atm for sure, but fdk is still better than unholy that just does less damage with more uptime required XD
man i remember playing against rmp in bfa and shadowlands. they fundamentally changed the way the game was played(or wasn’t played because i was in cc 50% of the game) and it also wasn’t fun losing to them.
or when rogue mage was good in 2v2 and they would peek out of hiding to cc you for 10 seconds and then go back to running away the rest of the game. u make 1 mistake and its ggs.
the thing is, you play differently against every comp in the game, so what confuses me, is how rogue mage can straight up keep u in cc half of the game,(and then run away the rest of the game) but then when a frost dk does it, suddenly trying to kill people in a cc setup is unfun and bad for the game.
the main diffenrence in the current state of the game, is that unlike rogue mage, frost dk didn’t get their defensive kit 3x’d just so they can tank your dmg in between goes. Frost dk is the only setup spec that actually has to run away.
blood dk honestly the best dk spec right now and its not even close
blizzard’s tuning has been absolutely criminal this expansion
compare the 15% nerfs we got to the 5% nerf feral got on incarn.
that would be like if they made dk’s horsemen do 5% less dmg…
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Buff Death Strike again.
Okay, actually I think it’s been very good overall… EXCEPT for DK.
I mean, closer to a 5% nerf to hysteria, but sure not too far off. That being said, it’s obviously an INSANE disproportionality.
Dk got what was essentially like a full 7.5% damage nerf overall. Most classes are getting ~2% buffs/nerfs. Dk got nerfed like 3x as hard as every other class Xd
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yea actually everything seems pretty in line with eachother minus the 2 healers and dk, maybe dh so on average everything is close