Mc is great, you can smash it out with 20+ ppl and complete it.
BWL, not so much. It would be interesting to see the amount of pugs that stop at Firewall(maw) or Vaelestraz even.
You spent time on the content let us play it. I appreciate that we can buy some T2 off vendor but there are BIS class quest items in there and yes they are mainly available prior to the ‘maw-wall it would still be nice to complete on alts. Thank you for your time.
It’s a raid, you’re supposed to work together to beat the bosses, if your group can’t do it it’s unfortunate but it happens, not everything should be given out for free.
I am not looking for a hand out here.
But the mechanics are very mouth breather unfriendly
Just make it less punishing.
Does this affect you, are you such a gate keeper you have to troll on gate keeping content 2-3 phases ago?
Lets look at working together:
Are there tanks-check
Are there healers- check
Are there dps -check
Do they all do the right thing at the right time?- no
That looks a lot like working together.
i mean to tone it down would kinda nullify any “challenge” the raid would have and be just nef handing out gear at the beginning of the instance so you dont have to do anything.
like youre asking for the game to not even be a game anymore.
This weird gatekeeping of old content will always be really weird.
Naxx, AQ40, AQ20, ZG, MC, nightmare dragons are all easy to pug and drop equivalent (minus MC/ZG) to significantly better gear than BWL.
This idea that somehow BWL needs to stay hard for pugs just comes off as fake flexing for absolutely no one. You are impressive to no one.
Many players do the easy raids for reals even if they’re “naxx geared azeroth heroes”. Way more people would similarly run BWL if the mechanics weren’t so janky.
Thank you. You said it better than I did.
Frozen Runes exist now. This makes the one boss that was kind of tough trivial - if you don’t take fire damage the mechanics don’t happen.
Just make people buy and pop frozen runes. You can also pre pop a frozen rune, then GFPP when frozen rune is gone, then pop a second frozen rune. If people los flame buffet periodically it’s easy.
The content has already been nerfed.
It’s not about fake flexing. It’s about this is a video game that is played for fun. No one will die if BWL has actual gameplay. This isn’t an embargo preventing critical food or aid supplies from reaching its destination.
Stop trying to destroy the fun to satiate your addiction to pixels. You yourself point out there are easier avenues to get the critical pieces from the dungeon - take those avenues if you hate gameplay. Smh.
It absolutely is about fake flexing.
It makes zero sense that outdated t2 is tied to harder content than naxx and AQ.
People are having significantly more fun running those raids.
You characterizing something as fun because less people run it is a direct example of your fake flexing whether you acknowledge it or not.
No one is impressed, stop the gatekeeping an old raid lol.
Are you actually struggling on no hard mode bwl?
Get tanks on coms, there is no possible way u will fail that with sod talents and reel gear.
Probably carrying folks in greens looking for handouts.
The same people who 30-40 man zerg mc with 1/2 the raid being boosted alts that are literally naked try to do the same in bwl and get their asses kicked.
This is not a design flaw.
Yep lol. Retail raid finder Andys getting filtered by normie BWL
Do the mechanics! BWL is a breeze and can be cleared quickly. Do the mechanics.
Buy a butt ton of fire pots hand em out to the tanks, get them in discord and call the switches. You will be fine.
The content shouldn’t be nerfed just because people can’t perform the mechanics correctly, learn the fight or don’t get the gear. Hardly can be called gatekeeping if people can’t even be bothered to learn the basic mechanics of the only hard fight.
Nerfing content just for the sake of nerfing it is never the solution.
Firemaw is literally the only real mechanic that needs to be executed in BWL. Not even Vael, who was always the first true gatekeeper of the raid, is challenging anymore. I highly doubt that, with 30-40 people, at least fully equipped with T1 and properly following the mechanics, getting past Firemaw would be that difficult. And I say this with confidence because I run BWL pugs every week.
But if you’re trying to do it with 3 affixes, people in full green gear, and fewer than 30 players, then it really does get very difficult. The amount of damage people put out in raids today is insane, it’s easy to get world buffs for everyone, and almost every mechanic can be skipped because the bosses die so fast.
And another thing—Firemaw is all about executing the mechanics. Even if you nerf her by reducing her HP and damage, you still have to do the mechanics; otherwise, there’s no way to kill her.