leave details alone. don’t really care about other add-ons,
Like i said you’re clueless.
All of these things you’re requesting, you can do yourself. Would you care to elaborate how other people using these addons impacts you?
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It’s so telling, the truth when you see it.
/Crutches
People are too reliant on add-ons it’s actually disappointing
Guess who didn’t have add-ons at all and got rank 1 several times on different characters
And he played rogue
You can.
Just go into interface, addons folder and delete all.
Problem solved.
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Why would they remove addons? They have literally been in the game since beta ‘03. Also, what is the purpose of banning them? If you don’t like them don’t use them. Am I missing something?
Yeah, they got called out for bad performance or put on one of those shared ninja list addons and are big mad now.
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Well that makes more sense I guess. Seems like a handful of posters have been obsessed with parcing addons for some reason
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Lol, admittedly not a pro. Just would like to try something different. Universal addon removal would be interesting. For those who are just saying to turn off my own addons, you’re missing the point. For those who are saying, “Oh he must be a bad player”, is it bad to be able to do content without addons?
Hundreds of thousands of us played the original game with no addons and we’re here saying it sucked. Blizzard UI is bad, always has been.
If I had to go back to default bags and action bars I’d just quit.
Threewolves:
One of the things that made World of Warcraft different is that it worked with addon makers, allowing some functions, and disabling others, that way it could maintain some control over the game functions that were exposed.
This isn’t to say that cheating didn’t and doesn’t happen, it’s just that allowing folks to have access to some functions (like creating a frame) and disabling others (like the ClassicLFG addon in the Classic release in 2019.):
Quote from Blizzard, Bluetracker, Bornakk (a CM about that time):
We’ve been closely following the community discussion around this add-on for WoW Classic, as well as analyzing it to make sure we understand how it works. After careful examination, we believe the nature of ClassicLFG is incompatible with our social design for Classic. Thus, in an upcoming patch (in the weeks following launch), we will be adding restrictions to the Classic add-on API that will significantly limit this add-on and others like it.
And they then prevented addons from using the /who function in Vanilla. Because a lot of people, when asked, thought that LFR was “The Thing That Destroyed Warcraft.” So they disabled it. So, just so you know, requests like yours are neither new, nor are they really dumb or off-the-wall. And there are other MMORPGs that disallow any addons of any kind (FFXIV) for that very reason.
But I got a question for you:
When you say “Can we try Season of Discovery Without Any Addons?” what is it you’re trying to do?
I read your thread here, and I’m not really certain what it is that you’re trying to get at. Are you trying to blind prog a dungeon/raid? Are you trying to go into uncharted territory? What does “it works” mean in this case?
I’m going to speak to something with some pretty vague references here, as I want to make sure everything that I say is 100% true:
Regarding addons, there’s still kind of a stink regarding RestedXP, WotLK, and the Hardcore community, and I don’t know what’s true and what isn’t, so I’m being a bit intentionally general here so as not to speak falsely. In addition, as I want no part of the drama, but rather to state fact, I am doing so dispassionately, and providing citations:
WotLK had a quest helper tool built into it as of v3.3 [1] that was disabled by Blizzard [2], a native tool - and some other addons which may or may not cost money and are written by people who may or may not be dislikeable and/or bad and/or breaking ToS and having things not be enforced.[3] . I am distancing myself from anything involving anything involving controversy and money because I don’t care about anyone’s opinion on the matter - my point is that there was a tool to support a function Blizzard didn’t offer because it wasn’t “in the spirit of the game” and in one case it was disabled forcibly, in the other, it was not.
So I don’t know if you could convince people to do it. I don’t know if it’s in the spirit. After what happened with RestedXP I’m unsure that genie is going back in the bottle. I’m uncertain what you’re trying to do.
What I do know, however, is that you, and everyone else with a decent conscience, a track record of being housebroken, and the legal ability to stand trial has an idea what “cheating” is for themselves. Whether that be logout skips, Questie, UI modifications, or playing the game on a fireplace hooked up to an Atari 2600 controller, that’s up to you, and it’s largely going to be, unless you’re playing at world-first or eSports levels.
There’s a video essay that I like on this subject. It’s a bit long - about 80m or so, but it goes into a lot of detail the game’s addon support and how it has affected our community by Dan Olson:
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKP1I7IocYU)
And I think you’re somewhere in that ZIP code.
Have a nice evening, 36h or so 'til patch launch,
-Horse
1: (https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/blizz-tells-gamerrant-they-want-wrath-to-feel-like-vanilla/1270944/134)
2: (https://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/wrath-of-the-lich-king-classic-interview-with-zierhut-and-birmingham)
3: (https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/ban-all-addons-that-charge-money/1672077)
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That’s a demand for the next WoW expansions and Classic+ on my perspective. I completely agree they should test the game with no addons, but they need to make a complete UI revamp with all the QoL addons give. And also completely change how boss fights are made, since we won’t have DBM/WeakAuras.
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I appreciate the well thought out and articulate response. As to what I’m suggesting and if “it works”:
In my personal opinion addons create an unnecessary divisive atmosphere that reduces us players to the pursuit of the almighty dps at the expense of socialization and sense of community. Without addons, players would need to work together more, explore more, and absorb the game with a sense of adventure rather than it feeling like a job to get to that peak of the almighty dps standard where nearly everyone sits two weeks into each phase. Additionally, I would like to see Blizzard add in a bunch of seriously rare things to the game to make it nearly impossible to obtain, but still worth it and rewarding even for the most geared players. I’ve played every version of World of Warcraft. I’m loving SoD. But I think so many players are reliant on adds, including myself, that a change like that is unlikely at best. It would be fun to try it though. My uneducated guess is that the result would be guilds that were more tight knit communities filled with players of all skill levels and raids with something for everyone throughout the duration of a phase.
Trunksr -
I wholeheartedly agree.
So, I’m going to say it’s not as far off as you might think it is. FFXIV completely bans addons, and while a bunch of folks use them under the covers, you really don’t need them (CactBot is their analog to DBM) in order to play the game.
And to be clear, I don’t think that the way that WoW does it is “wrong.” I do not believe that banning addons entirely is the or even a solution to the problem. Discord can be thought of as an addon to Warcraft, and I don’t hear anyone looking to ban that. There’s a pretty robust UI editor in there, and you can get around and raid the hardest content without using any external tools - save Discord or some other audio.
The problem is - I just sort of gave up after a while - and it felt at the time like Blizzard did too. But then again, I don’t really know as much about what modern WoW feels like as I probably should to speak to it. There are things like having interfaces just feeling clunky and weird over time and having database space get cheaper, and the ability to offload more work to client machines that we’re just of which not taking advantage - save for addons - probably since that’s work we can actually contract and support more directly.
So, hopefully, I’m making myself clear: I am open to your idea, since I’ve wished for something similar - I don’t know of a really good way to foster things between Blizzard and the community while avoiding “influencers” which are the social equivalent of addons. Didn’t hire them. Didn’t ask for them. Don’t really know who they are. Not really sure they’re not doing something horrible behind the scenes. But they’re the ones who will actually respond when you ask for help.
And I don’t think anything’s going to get any better until there’s some sort of dialogue that’s fostered between the community and the developers, and some way that we can have a meaningful interaction with an actual person when there’s trouble. I would cheerily pay twice as much as I do right now to have a phone number, or email address of a help desk or support office where I could talk to someone when I saw someone cheating, or botting or drunk and asleep at the wheel. I would enjoy having a city council where my server which wasn’t gignormous and terrifying could meet and discuss things, and maybe even - hell, have people move in and out to keep something of a balance.
But until we have a genuine, trusted liaison between us as customers and those keeping our custom, that’s what we got:
Addons and influencers.
-Horse
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Yeah I wouldn’t play it. I hate the base UI. You can attempt to attack me and claim it’s cause I’m refusing you in my raids or blah blah blah. But you’d be wrong. Idc if you grey parse. I don’t look at that crap. Long as stuff dies I’m happy. If I feel someone needs help getting better then I’ll help them in a positive way. I use addons for myself. I hate the base UI of wow and won’t play with it.
why do you care what’s on other people screens? keep your nose on your own screen
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I completely understand and, for the most part, they could put whatever they wanted in the base UI and I wouldn’t even know. For years, I’ve just ripped out whatever it was, and just thrown it out because it didn’t work properly and I couldn’t get support anymore like I could in actual Vanilla.
-Horse
just kill dbm and weak auras