Can we please not change stats on PvP gear with the catalyst?

Seriously, I shouldn’t have to read/write 20 pages on how I’m supposed to gear up my character with the proper stats just because of how convoluted the whole system is.

If I buy a conquest item at the vendor that is Versatility + the stat I want, the catalyst shouldn’t be pooping out a Haste + Crit item for me to have to spend hours just to figure out which items I need to buy and have turned into tier items.

Just add the tier to the damn item without changing the stats. Having to deal with embelishments and crafted gear is already enough of a headache.
Isn’t this the same reason why PvP gear was removed from the Great Vault?

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give me mastery + vers you mother frickers!!!

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i agree with you. if u want to avoid this in the future tho u can do shift j, and then go to item sets at the bottom and it will show u the stats on ur tier.

idk why its like this but it is what it is

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Read 20 pages? My dude just open the journal and go to the tier set tab on the bottom, boom all 5 potential pieces and their stats right there to peruse. Just figure out which 4 pieces, or 2 if your spec only wants the 2 piece, has the best stats for you and convert them, it’s really not that complicated.

That said it would be nice if PvP converted tier kept the PvP stats. Or better yet give us PvP specific tier sets like they used to, would make balancing for them easier too, they wouldn’t have to try and make one tier set work for both raid and PvP, just make a different set for each game mode.

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Just look at stats you give up for tier bonus and decide if worth

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It shouldn’t be a thing that needs to be done is the point, just because I hyperboled it by saying 20 pages doesn’t change the fact that it’s unneccesary complexity that is only negative for the game.

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stats vs tier bonus

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Eliminate tier sets in general. It doesn’t play well with the talent trees. They continually force you into specs by buffing them with tier creating the illusion of choice.

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I mean, that’s the talent trees in general now. The devs even said at one point a major drawback to their version instead of the mop one is that people can troll themselves really hard with builds and not every setup is gonna be playable.

If the tier bonus just doesn’t align with how the spec plays in pvp then skip it.

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You’ve triggered the pvp echo chamber to come in and tell you the gearing system is fine …

despite thate every content creator’s 20m guides on “how to” is followed by scroll-off-the-page comments about how convoluted it is compared to BC->WoD

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Better than fine, it’s great. Maybe have the free weapon quest give heraldries. :dracthyr_blob_dance_animated:

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Pretty much, and even those content creator “guides” are missing crucial information in those 20 minutes of garbled nonsense.

For someone already completely educated on the system,

Knew their tier sets months ahead of time stat wise,

And played EA and cross-examined several sources of gearing and knows embellishment guides already.

It’s because they can’t monetize a 3m video that says

Conquest gearing is only 25% of ur gear
Bloody Tokens quest bought and here →
heralds craft ordered here →
Use these embellishments off AH →
Tier pieces converted here → [i had to look this up even after everything]

Special snowflake gen got rid of the downvote button.

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Wha

Just read the tooltips in the set journal

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Thanks, You said how to do one of 7 required things.

Getting to max level is more involved

Idk how we’re complicating and overthinking something super simple

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Yeah man, just go read the journal.
Then level up 12 other classes and read their talent trees, play them to understand how they work.
Don’t forget to go hit a PvP dummy to read the difference in PvP for the talents and abilities.
Also make sure you have 20 different addons just to track procs, cooldowns, and have more information from addons on your screen than you have actual game on your screen.
/s

It’s like you people don’t want to have more players to play PvP with.

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Never done this in my life

Tellmewhen/Weakauras?

I’m trying to explain to people that they’re overthinking nothing

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The PvP echo chamber is gonna bait you to try to red herring.

just try to let them denounce that they’re not literal experts on a convoluted system with hours of research/prior xpac experience.

And that there can’t possibly be returning players who only had to deal with vendors or new players to the game.

And that:

  • herald crafting
  • embellishment min/maxxing
  • WM Sources
  • Conquest vendor w/o tier sets
  • Tier sets need to be converted
  • You can’t choose your tier effect stats unlike prior vendor xpacs
  • GRAB YOUR WEAPON QUEST B/F YOU EARN ANY CONQUEST

IS TOO. FREAKING. COMPLICATED.

And gear guide videos have comments scrolling down near endlessly on people despising this system rather than just give us TBC-> WoD’s vendors.

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I merely offer solutions.

Somebody could be 1500 rating lower for the past 10 years and yet they still argue.

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