funny because i did every single one on mythic the first week lmao, plus i generally zero in on one that has the loot i want and just run that one over and over so please dont lie and make up false information
sorry but your account wide achievements donât lie:
I mean, to be fair the achievement system has also been screwed for ages, but either way i know i did them all the first week, because i had to wait for lockouts before i could run anymore since keys and the raid werenât added yet, plus again i did mention i focus on one area for a certain piece of gear, either way dunno what you trying to prove exactly, ive ran a ton of keys and gotten basically nothing besides anima and a conduit or 2 to show for it
Edit: Mb, didnt run mythic plaguefall the first week because i was having too much trouble finding people who would follow the bosses mechanics
I beg to differ. No, put up a sign that can be seen from the moon to differ.
Iâve personally gone through droughts of 10+ dungeons where no gear dropped.
Not M+. Regular/heroic dungeons.
Itâs nearly a meme in the guild itâs so predictable/awful.
Stop trying to act high and mighty. The current loot system is crap.
I have ran 16 M+ on ONE character and not gotten a single piece of loot.
In two weeks Iâve cleared normal mode CN on two characters and got ONE piece of loot between the two of them.
Bad RNG is one thing but this is absolute garbage. No one should be able to invest over 24 hours of game time and have 0 to show for it.
That is just extreme bad luck.
A key now gives 2 items for an upgrade, and 1 for a completion only.
So even if all 16 keys were not in time, that should have still been 3 items+ on average.
Surely you upgraded at least SOME of them right?
So that would mean 4-5 items on average.
Raid is much worse though, but harder to calculate without knowing your raid size.
Either way, to get no loot at all from all of this is EXTREMELY unlucky.
Its only 1 less item per content anyway.
You could have easily gotten this unlucky in the past too.
So âBad RNGâ is not just âone thing.â
Its all the things.
The system might be crap, but the facts are what they are.
Something that I kind of just stumbled upon though, that I have been leveraging pretty heavily recently is trash farms in the raid.
We killed the first boss on Mythic then just kept farming all the trash between the next few bosses every 30 minutes for a few times.
Since then, we got something like 13 226ilvl items, many of which are BIS for our raiders.
The single raid kill only dropped 3 items, and it took us hours to kill it.
But I suppose you would just be counting the individual mobs that you looted and claiming you getting nothing there either was something that no one should ever be able to do?
Donât people read?
No drops = ZERO. Not 3 or 4. Not some pieces got upgraded.
Zero. Nada. Ziltch.
Also. People talk about RNG being truly random (or at leas talk along these lines).
Thereâs a seed for the RNG that appears to set up some people to be âgoodâ with loot, and some to be âterribleâ.
A friend Iâve been playing the game with for almost 10 years can, and has, just shown up and had every possible loot variation just happen.
2 mounts drop in a raid? Gets both 1st run.
Legion legendaries? She couldnât travel to a WQ w/o getting at least 1 along the way.
SL? She was M+ ready within less than a week after hitting 60. Gets a drop nearly every boss in dungeons.
Make the seed better or re-instate BLP.
Or put back loot to being more plentiful.
I hate it when people just say itâs 1 less loot. From 3 to 2 loot is 33% and thatâs not a small amount. I guess only finance people will get this but imagine your mortgage went from 3% to 2%. You save 33%! Thatâs not a small amount in the long run.
Basically think of it as grinding 1/3 more to get all your BiS.
It is one less loot. Thatâs a fact.
Percentages are also a fact, but you should recognize both simultaneously, because the numbers are so finite.
Either way, 1/3 less loot should be perfectly fine, as there will be no loot AFTER you get that BIS for months, so I donât know what the rush is for most people.
Again, this is assuming you beat every dung timed. So itâs actually on the optimal side. 33% additional runs just to get that one piece that isnât guaranteed a upgrade. People will be burned out.
What you need to understand is people will eventually give up and donât care. If you give people loot and they can try higher keys that may be considered challenging. That might actually keep people in longer than them being burnt for not getting anything. Rewardless repetition doesnât last.
Not everyone is gonna play 33% longer than they normally would. Not everyone is okay to play 9 hours a week vs their 6 hours a week.
Just cause itâs fine for you, doesnât make it fine for everyone.
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What about until you actually get that BiS piece?
Until then, itâs terrible.
Also, what about having your BiS locked behind content that you donât participate in?
Also, the only BiS in the game comes from Mythics, due to item level.
(that automatically excludes a hideously large portion of the playerbase as most donât Mythic raid or run +15 or more).
Take your eyes off the esports and look at the average janes and joes, who at most will do low Mâs, LFR, and might wander into a Normal raid in the right circumstances.
There is nothing to discuss, in my mind.
If players are literally only doing keys for loot they are going to quit sooner or later anyway.
Play the game for fun and loot comes alongside it.
I find that to be the secret to my enjoyment year after year.
Fun is subjective. No one personâs fun trumps othersâŚthey systems, as-is, forces âfunâ to be funneled into the esports and all the no-lifing that goes along with it.
Heh, weâll see. Blizz has the data. Theyâll do whatever they can to maximize profit. If people start to really quit. Theyâll do something about it.
You should be far far more concerned with the after, not the before.
If you are the kind of player who only plays for loot, what are you going to do once you get it?
More so, what would you even do with it, if you got it?
There is no exit strategy here, like there has been for years.
The people complaining about loot are just racing to a red light, and are going to complain even more when they realize there is no progress to be made for the next 4 months after they are fully geared.
The rest of your post isnât relevant though.
This is a discussion about characters that NEED gear, not want gear.
If you are not aspiring to tackle the hardest content in the game, then gearing quicker or slower is all the same.
To have this discussion, we have to assume that the topic is making a significant impact on the success rate of the character in question, unfortunately.
You seem to have missed the point.
I am saying to find fun in the game and pursue it.
Stop worrying about rewards and time commitments and just play and enjoy.
They will do what they believe is best for the game, first and foremost.
I disagree that this is what is best for the game, but for different reasons than most.
I am far more worried about what this discussion is going to look like 3 weeks from the end of the season, rather than 3 weeks from the start.
Once these people get the loot they are screaming for, what is next?
Thatâs when the subscriptions start to plummet, Iâd expect.
Are you trying to be obtuse? Higher ilvl gear makes everything else easier.
Easier to target specific pieces of gear as your ilvl goes upâŚdungeons go faster?
Easier to complete open world content like WQs, etc.?
Easier to do TorghastâŚyou know, turn it from a slog/face-mashed-in-cheese-grater into something thatâs less painful?
I donât know how people get to the point where not understanding that higher ilvls make the game more enjoyable because everything isnât the maximum challenge every microsecond of logging inâŚ
Blizz is a corporation. Itâs profit first. If you think corporations do anything out of the goodness of their heart and not for profit then all I can say is ignorance is a bliss.
I wonât argue with you, you have your view of things and it wonât change which is fine.
As for fun, tbh not really fun, I only still log on cause I donât have anything better to do. But I can see my friends stopped logging on. Chances are Iâll be one of those soon. When peopleâs pre-subs end, which I assume in the next 3-6 months. Weâll see
You are late to this thread, but this was basically a long string of comments where people who have no real goals in the game complained about not getting the loot they didnât have any plans to use for anything, so a lot of my response now is still shaped by that.
One way or another, top level gear is not needed for world content, and torghastâŚ
well it seems the best way to overcome the difficulty there is talk about how its too hard until Blizzard changes that!
The truth about gear is its a crutch.
It makes things easier, for sure.
But no one actually needs it, unless you are playing the game at the highest level.
That is why you donât worry about it.
You just play the game in ways that are fun, and whatever gear comes you enjoy as a reward.