We're lowest in mythic raid representation but honestly, it's not like we're trailing behind massively. It's commonly accepted that both Holy and Disc are in a very good spot right now. A slight nerf to binding heal's coeffecient is not the end of the world.
The trail nerf to account for adding heal to it is another problem, it makes very little sense to nerf us. I'd like to know if this is in response to new traits making us super OP or?
We're lowest in mythic raid representation but honestly, it's not like we're trailing behind massively. It's commonly accepted that both Holy and Disc are in a very good spot right now. A slight nerf to binding heal's coeffecient is not the end of the world.
If we're the lowest in mythic raiding and second lowest in M+, we're going to be lowest in both after this....I am legitimately trying to enjoy this expac and it's being made impossible.
If we're the lowest in mythic raiding and second lowest in M+, we're going to be lowest in both after this....I am legitimately trying to enjoy this expac and it's being made impossible.
I mean, not trying to be rude, but you haven't even touched mythic raid content. How will this affect you?
Just do the surge/trail combo, I find that better for m+ than binding anyways
Number of mythic Disc logs: 35,913
Number of mythic Holy logs: 32,850
That's 91% as much. In Heroic and Normal, Disc trails Holy 69-71%.
The sky is not falling. Holy is first or second top HPS healer on all difficulties, by a healthy margin. Disc got hit MUCH harder. No one likes being nerfed, but this targeted balancing was reasonable. I was surprised they didn't nerf Binding Heal sooner. A smart, spammable, fast, cheap, strong, efficient heal has no downsides at all.
We're lowest in mythic raid representation but honestly, it's not like we're trailing behind massively. It's commonly accepted that both Holy and Disc are in a very good spot right now. A slight nerf to binding heal's coeffecient is not the end of the world.
Ok maybe I should parse this out a little.
Holy is a strong spec for raiding and the reason it has low representation has more to do with how strong disc is right now than anything to do with holy being weak. Even if they nerf binding heal into the ground we can just go back to PoH.
What I'm not ok with? Trail of light. Who even uses trial of light for raiding? (Ok maybe if you got stuck tank healing) Meanwhile it's great for M+ and PvP which are areas that holy is currently one of the weakest specs in the game for. What am I going to do? Hard cast heal in PvP? Do these people even play their own game?
If we're the lowest in mythic raiding and second lowest in M+, we're going to be lowest in both after this....I am legitimately trying to enjoy this expac and it's being made impossible.
I mean, not trying to be rude, but you haven't even touched mythic raid content. How will this affect you?
Exactly how it will effect you? Trying to push the content with friends, we started in a bummer guild and didn't wise up for a few weeks, was legit at least hoping to test my feet in those waters on this expac.
I do however do quite a bit of mythic plus, and that's most of what i'm concerned about, i'd prefer not to be even less desirable to PuGs.
If they would have addressed anything regarding our squishiness and there was some sort of trade for the nerfs I wouldn't be half as concerned.
I should add that it's reassuring to be prompted I'll be okay by better priests than myself. I struggle as is and I try like crazy.
Holy changes seem to be aimed towards moving away from the binding heal spam playstyle, a very welcomed change imo.
Holy Priest has one of the most complete kits yet it falls into binding heal spam, buffing the rest of the kit while nerfing binding heal looks like a healthy change.
As for M+ perspective I think it's overall a very minor buff to Holy, sure trail of light will be a bit weaker when using flash heal (which is the primary spell you use) but everything else in the kit is getting buffed in return.
Holy changes seem to be aimed towards moving away from the binding heal spam playstyle, a very welcomed change imo.
Holy Priest has one of the most complete kits yet it falls into binding heal spam, buffing the rest of the kit while nerfing binding heal looks like a healthy change.
As for M+ perspective I think it's overall a very minor buff to Holy, sure trail of light will be a bit weaker when using flash heal (which is the primary spell you use) but everything else in the kit is getting buffed in return.
The buffs need to be more substantial in order to make the spells usable, Flash is already a pretty weak spell as is nerfing trail is kind of a huge blow if you ask me, especially when you consider the fact that the trade off was adding a spell to it that isn't really a viable cast, when we HAVE to move to avoid getting gibbed by basically every mechanic.
Exactly how it will effect you?
It won't affect me much if at all. Binding heal will still be used for a filler during periods of low raid damage.
Personally thankful for the binding heal change. It was leaning a bit too heavily the dominant strategy for holy.
As for everything else? Overall I'm nonplussed. I don't think the nerfs will have that big of an impact, but people aren't going to start casting Renew and Heal significantly more due to these buffs, so they essentially aren't buffs at all. Instead of casting heal you should be smiting until you need to flash. Renew heals way, way too slow to be worth it. Less total healing than flash heal over 15 seconds that costs about as much mana and doesn't benefit from mastery. Yuck.
Exactly how it will effect you?
It won't affect me much if at all. Binding heal will still be used for a filler during periods of low raid damage.
Would you mind adding me in game or on some other outlet, if only to send me some resources regarding playstyle? I really am trying to be my best here, I just refuse to play disc.
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I mean, not trying to be rude, but you haven't even touched mythic raid content. How will this affect you?
Exactly how it will effect you? Trying to push the content with friends, we started in a bummer guild and didn't wise up for a few weeks, was legit at least hoping to test my feet in those waters on this expac.
I do however do quite a bit of mythic plus, and that's most of what i'm concerned about, i'd prefer not to be even less desirable to PuGs.
If they would have addressed anything regarding our squishiness and there was some sort of trade for the nerfs I wouldn't be half as concerned.
I don't mean to be rude but the highest key you've done in time is a 9, that's not a level at which class performance matters at all compared to actual player skill.
Further, our actual throughput in M+ is also pretty much irrelevant. Nobody cares about healing throughput in M+, they care about utility, survivability, and how much damage you can do.
The buffs need to be more substantial in order to make the spells usable, Flash is already a pretty weak spell as is nerfing trail is kind of a huge blow if you ask me, especially when you consider the fact that the trade off was adding a spell to it that isn't really a viable cast, when we HAVE to move to avoid getting gibbed by basically every mechanic.
I think the flat 4% healing buff plus individual buffs to Renew and Heal easily out-weights the Trail of Light nerf.
Edit: I don't log my M+ runs but decided to look for some parses in Warcraftlogs for Holy Priests using Trail of Light.. It accounted for 4.5 to 6.5% of their healing, let's take the best case with 6.5%, post-nerf that would be about 4.88% of total healing, so if that was the only change it would be a 1.62% nerf. I think it's clear that
when you factor in all the other changes (buffs) Holy Priest is actually getting a slight buff in M+
i see a lot of people saying about how binding heal was overtuned and i agree but we aren't really saying why.
1.) it's mana cost was low for what it did (3 target heal)
2.) same cast time as flash heal
3.) it effected both sides of our cooldown reduction for both our big spells
4.) it made both the other talents in that row look bad
5.) it completely voided using heal
it was overtuned for what it did, they just hit it in the numbers a bit. they could have hit it in the mana, it's function, ect. ect. but they just gave it a flat numbers decrease, which given blizzards track record was probably for the best. it still retains it's utility and function just not so high numbers as to having 90% of the class using this one talent because it's better in every situation.
10/23/2018 05:21 PMPosted by
Ruenara 4% buff to all heals, nerf to binding heals efficiency... doesn't seem like the sky is falling, did I miss something?
I barely even use binding heal. It's pretty much there for when I am targeted in certain situations in BG's, or when I am healing a neglectful group in instances. Though to be honest, its healing is already so low I wonder why it even needs to be nerfed, but I doubt it will affect me.
10/24/2018 04:56 AMPosted by
Laotl ...
I don't mean to be rude but the highest key you've done in time is a 9, that's not a level at which class performance matters at all compared to actual player skill.
Further, our actual throughput in M+ is also pretty much irrelevant. Nobody cares about healing throughput in M+, they care about utility, survivability, and how much damage you can do.
Post from not a sock. :D
I play on EU and the idiotic beta forum rules insisted I create a US toon to post on.
But here's my raider.io profile with 1k+ score (which I earned as Holy, though I now play Disc mostly): https://raider.io/characters/eu/tarren-mill/Laotl
Holy is garbage in PvP ATM. Everyone had to reroll disc. Hps wise we cannot keep up with the damage, Flash heal is very weak, renew does nothing. Time to reroll Shadow in 8.1 with disc nerfs and holy priest being unviable. No wonder there is a 4 heal meta right now in BFA