I know the majority dislike the talent for it being a stat buff, but it wasn’t a mandatory talent to pick in the DF Launch since it shared a spot with Sanctified Wrath. They shouldn’t be removing talents to begin with. If you don’t like it, don’t pick it.
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Didn’t Ret basically have a full rework though in 10.0.7?
It’s not like you woke up one day and suddenly this 1 specific talent was randomly removed.
WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED TO HUNTERS WITH DOUBLE TAP
Sorry. Sometimes I forget that I have a deep-seated resentment over DT still. 
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Eh, wasn’t really a fan of seraphim.
No.
Maintenence buffs is bad, espaicially when there is a class that already have that mechanic.
If you want a maintenence buff, play rogue.
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Yeah, but the choices are so limited in the third tier, you either go with two abilites, two passives, or one of the two. Also they removed Exorcism. Brought it back only to kick it out. No attempt to remake the ability.
People like you ruin the classes. Screw class customization in favor of the meta, right?
It’s categorically not a maintenance buff.
Just remove the holy power cost, also bring back the seraphim proc on art of war,
And bring back wake of ashes reset, although looking at the hero talents, this one is looking unlikely, i guess ret pally gameplay will stay the definition of unimpressive for a while longer then.
Until they come up with something cool again, and then remove it because of whatever bs reason.
Also, the definition of maintenance buff= bad is wrong. It depends on what the buff you’re maintaining is.
It very much was a maintenence buff.
The goal was to keep it up as much as possible or not do damage as our damage was trash without it.
Any buff that is required to have to do your role is a maintenence buff.
We are much better without it.
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Hell no i hated seraphim especially when it generates those ugly weapons and feels bad to use
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By that definition then avenging wrath or crusade is also a maintenance buff.
No, those are cool downs, we can still do respectable damage without them.
They only get crazy with crusade which I beleive needs to be toned down
I’m not against Seraphim. I was one of the weirdo’s who liked Inquisition.
Edit: I like Seraphim for Prot, I preferred Inquisition on Ret.
It wasn’t even a mandatory talent to pick. It shared a spot with Sanctified Wrath. Didn’t like it? Don’t pick it. Why is this such a difficult thing to comprehend?
Oh so seraphim which has a cd is not a cooldown, but avenging wrath is.
Crusade which gives you more damage, than seraphim overall is “you still do respectable damage outside of it” but seraphim with is more on the sustained damage front doesn’t. Cherry picking at it’s finest.
Look, i’m not gonna waste much more time with you, you clearly don’t know wtf you are talking about, you are wrong on many fronts, both implying that maintenance is fundamentally bad, which it isn’t, it depends on what buff you’re maintaining, second, by your definition pretty much anything is a maintenance buff.
With seraphim alone you had max around 25% uptime, then there was the proc which could push it up to 50%, that extra 25% was completely passive.
But you believe whatever the hell you want.
It was meta or be worse then trash. You kinda had to pick it up if you do any content at all.
A “CD” you could keep up 90% of the time is not a CD at that point, it was a maintenence buff.
Except the uptime was maybe 25% with seraphim alone, stop being a clown. And again. You’re implying that “maintenance” is bad by default, which again, just shows you have no idea wtf you are talking about.
Goodbye.
It shared a spot with Sanctified Wrath. Why do I have to repeat myself 3 times? You could just pick it instead, not demand Seraphim to be gone.
This obsession with the meta is just unhealthy for the game, period. Yes, lets remove abilities because the cool kids don’t like them.
I’m a pretty sweaty tryhard, and even i think that some of the players in wow give way too much of a f about balance.
Until the game has all specs within 5 % of each other or even less, they will not stop crying.
It’s an impossible task anyway because “perfect” balance can only be achieved if all damage profiles are the same, which is obviously crazy.
Balance has been pretty damn good in dragonflight aside s2 with the whole augmentation thing, and people still think it’s “the worst it’s ever been” Like shut it already.
These people will balance any fun out of the game. Procs? Too problematic because “rng”, cdr/cde? But what about muh uptime? Don’t have a damage profile that looks like a mountain and then a valley? Not enough burst. Like… Stop talking.
Balance is impossible period. It wouldn’t matter if every class wound up with 3 button to click on, players will always find a way to even the odds to their favor, so I say they shouldn’t even bother.
Look at Marvel vs Capcom 2, everyone loved that game, despite how horribly balanced it was.
I bet you really enjoyed Inquisition.