An earlier comment scanned like it was a sort of dynamic weighting system. I can’t say I trust layering with abandon, but that sounds moderately slick.
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Non-layered servers please
Well I am not going to sweat this Yet, its still Beta and they know we want that true Classic experience again. I am just going to wait and see when it goes live.
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Hey Chop, very interested to see the interviews where Blizz would have talked about layer abuse and their thoughts. Can you please link a source? I’m addicted to tracking how Blizz responds to this stuff!
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Unless the second layer has only half the population… there’s a few ways this could happen.
1st layer is full, so a second one opens up starting with half population.
One layer has a PvP event happening, many people hop onto that layer to join. Thinning out the other layers.
Since its basically the same topic, same applies. Either every server has to be layered and the launch is smooth, or all servers are unlayered and the launch is horrible. Any non-layered server would be swamped by a niche larger than its lack of layering can survive.
Fixed it for ya
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One mans trash is another mans treasure.
To me, layering is trash. To you…
You mistake realism for eagerness.
Just like you mistake your dream world for reality.
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Layering MAY be gone by phase 2. What if on their small number of servers they still have heavy populations - they’ll continue.
What if it is just easier for Activision to layer than alternate options in the long run. They have moved the goalposts already - you cannot take what they say as written on a stone tablet. Sharding/CRZ/lack of real servers is why I gave up on it too.
Yes and keep the sever cap at 2500 that way 7000+ people can sit in a que waiting to get in knowing they BETTER NOT CRY on the forums about it cause it was what they wanted.
You’re like “forum mom” and I mean this in a good way. You’re intelligent and often have the right words to say. And, you’re always there. These forums wouldn’t be the same without you.
However, in this case, you need to realize that what we have here is differing opinions based entirely on perspective.
A non layered launch will be “horrible” to some and “wonderful” to others.
When you say stuff like this, you lose some credibility. Even after I stated that it’s a matter of personal perspective.
An individual non-layered server? I agree, if it could be in isolation, it would be nice.
But the overall “Players vs Realms” numbers would cause chaos, dissatisfied subscribers, media mockery, and a Blizzard knee jerk reaction. And by the 3 month mark the game would be either 1000s of dead realms, or barely any players.
Thats a “horrible” situation that no-one should consider “wonderful” without being a selfish narcissist.
I don’t buy into that tiny majority or the majority based on these forums or any for that matter. Here. With the alt hopping. We can’t estimate anything.
For all any of us forum users know theres only a few of us and 5 people using their army of alts. Lol. So claiming any kind of majority/minority based on the forums is skewed and completely flawed.
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I assume everyone is like me and posts on their single character. Then again, my post count is getting a little high so maybe I should swap to a new one.
In this interview, they talk about how you’ll sort of “stick” to a layer. (6m36s)
I’m still looking for the other interview where Ion describes it, but they essentially talk about how eventually your layer will begin to represent your cohorts (or people you normally interact with).
PlayerA and PlayerB are on Layer 1, PlayerC is on Layer 2.
PlayerC invites PlayerA to group. PlayerC and PlayerA are now on Layer 2.
PlayerA invites playerB to group. PlayerC, PlayerA, and PlayerB are now on Layer 2.
With their “sticky” rules, you will start to congregate together on the same Layer and end up seeing the same people that you interact with regularly no matter if you move to a different zone or even continent.
If we introduce a PlayerD (a guildie) and he invites PlayerB to Layer 3, yes, you will start to see some cross-layering, but again PlayerB may invite PlayerC to a group and now we see how populations that interact regularly with one another start to mix layers and you’ll see less transitions because folks (guildies in this case) will start to gravitate to a single layer.
Edit: While this doesn’t necessarily answer the question regarding layering abuse, it does demonstrate that each population of folks that interact together will begin to get lumped together, decreasing chances folks will know people in a different layer to abuse it. Obviously, streamers showing their location on stream will be easy evidence to another player that is standing in the same area that the streamer isn’t there, you will likely see less of these differences and the number of layers decreases and population cohorts start to group together.
Lol. Good one one Elo. There’s a few who use one or even a couple different known avatars.
I tried forum alt hopping. B slapped me back to my senses.
You are wrong on so many levels with your post. Blizzard has actually said the reason there would be sharding, now layering, in the beginning is because they expect a lot of tourists to try Classic and then leave. They don’t want to open a ton of servers that will have a big population decrease later on due to these tourists. At least they are expecting a big drop, which may not happen.
The point of layers is so that they can collapse the layers into one once the population stabilizes. They promised it would be removed by the end of phase one and in a few weeks.
Did you happen to get in the last two stress tests? If not, hate to break it to you, but there were queues. Also, from what I saw at the end of the first stress test when an event was happening at the end, it seemed they were testing collapsing the layers. There were literally hundreds of players at the gates of SW that continued through the city in a huge line to the throne room. Hundreds of people in a condensed area all together and the server did not crash.
You don’t seem to know what you are talking about, but instead are one of those people who enjoy being sarcastic and think you look cool. And in response to another of your sarcastic posts in this thread, those of us who would pefer an unlayered server know full well what it entails with higher queues, etc. And guess what? We are good with that! At least after that queue, I know that if an event is happening where I am standing, I can actually see it. The benefits of a no layer realm way outweighs a layered realm for me.
Don’t pretend to know how others feel and what they like or would prefer. It typically never goes well when people pull that nonsense.
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Right - sticky per play session.
You login out and come back a few minutes or hours later, who knows where you are going to end up.