With Classic soon approaching, I’m sure many new players will be coming to join us. Some may not understand exactly what ninja looting it. Especially with personal loot now in BFA.
So I did the most natural thing and I googled “Ninja looting WoW” and I was brought to this wowwiki page which defined ninjas as:
A player who, when in a group, [rolls]“Need” on everything regardless of if he or she can use it.
A player who, when in a group, [rolls]“Need” on BoE recipes for a character they are not currently playing.
A player who rolls on a [BoP] item that everyone else has passed on or a player who loots a corpse without permission after everyone has passed on a [BoP] item.
A player who loots a chest or harvests a resource while another player is fighting.
Then I read this part:
Note that in vanilla private servers the definition is different. Since a lot of BoE items are valuable it is the general rule to roll need on such items regardless if it’s an upgrade for someone in the group.
How would you classify the following? Is anyone a ninja?
Example A: Headmaster’s Charge drops and a hunter rolls need for the buff.
Example B: Pattern: Robe of the Void drops, and everyone rolls need, including the warlock with tailoring.
Example C: Runeblade of Baron Rivendare drops, and the enchanting warlock rolls need to DE it for a nexus shard for himself.
Thanks in advance. Seems the definition isn’t as clear cut as I thought, so looking forward to seeing what others think!
opening a chest before anyone has a chance to roll.
taking a resource node out of turn.
rolling need on something you can’t use on the character you are on.
rolling need on a recipe that you can’t use on the character you are on.
with regards to open world
stealing a node someone else is fighting a mob for.
rolling need on an item in a group that you can’t use on the character you are on
rolling need on a recipe in a group that you can’t use on the character you are on.
with regards to raids
looting an item off a corpse that is still being rolled on
taking a resource node out of turn.
rolling need on something you can’t use on the character you are on.
rolling need on a recipe that you can’t use on the character you are on.
now, sometimes people establish different rules prior to a run. if you stay in the group that is tantamount to accepting of the loot rules in place and going against those rules would be ninjaing too.
Im trying to figure it out. Because the last thing on the wiki said that you should roll need on anything that benefits your character. I mean if you’re an enchanter who wants to go sell a enchant but needs one nexus crystal, should you roll need on an epic item just to get the crystal? Or should you pass to the person who could use the item?
Im trying to get a clear picture so I or anything else doesn’t get branded a Ninja for simply not knowing what exactly ninjaing is.
Boe above 30g is kind of a big deal.
Special if it’s sold for 1.2k on AH.
You make a rule before you start.
Example if boe drops that is worth $$ blah, every hits need, if boe drops below blah ms/os must equip for proof, if someone wins need roll and someone can use will offer a good price but must be equipped.
So if Robes of the Void drops, everyone should roll need for it despite the Warlock player being the only one in the group who can use it?
I just don’t want to do that and get slammed as a ninja in trade chat. I understand communication is a big part. But sometimes people don’t listen lol.
If that is a mindset i’d need on everything. If the healer needs it and will equip it thats that. But the + healing dragon fingers go upwards to well over a grand of gold.
Are we going to carry over the pserver rule of needing all BoEs?
If not, will this have a consequence on those coming out of pservers, justifying the new rules to use plausible deniability when accused of ninjaing?
I for one would like to stick with the original rules and then sort out BoEs with a /roll like we’ve done since antiquity.
That existed due to language barriers and overall crappy community that was backstabbing. But, it is the logical way of doing it, unless someone NEEDs the boe for use. The way the private server communities saw it was from a gold perspective. Everyone was assumingly going to just sell it so just need it. Pristine Black Diamonds and Righteous Orbs are going to be something that rubs many the wrong way. I am hoping that a passive need becomes natural for the Pristine Black Diamond and people just round robin the orbs.
It’s definitely not as black or white as a lot of people think. Regarding boe’s that are definitely high value in the AH should be needed 100%. Everyone benefits from the gold.
Personally if im running a dungeon i’ll be asking the others at the very beginning what rules we should be establishing. All comes down to communication.
To my way of thinking, you answered your own question. That enchanter doesn’t “need” the item; the enchanter “wants” the item so it can be DE’d to make something the enchanter “wants” to sell. “Wanting” and “needing” are two different animals.
To be fair if they are leveling enchanting they do need mats to level. Can’t level without mats so that is a need.
I do feel MS>OS>Professions>gold as far as loot rules go. Lay these out straight away.
This is another reason people should group with guildies and friends. To keep everyone in your circle progressing in levels, gear, and professions and have some order to what can be pure chaos. Lol.
In the long run I’d rather see my guild enchanter get his skill maxed out than get a dungeon upgrade for my character.
We are going to need those enchants and I’ll be running so many dungeons I’m not worried about drops. Team goals over my personal goals.
Now purps or especially rare drops we are fighting to the death over. Dang ninjas trying to roll on my hunter loot. Lol
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