tl;dr there are too many things to do when you have more than one alt, and you need to do them all because there are currently no catch up mechanics.
It would be nice if Ve’nari reputation were shared, so you could at least cut the dailies off of the list.
Blizzard is against making the maw at all friendly towards you.
Her account-wide Torghast upgrades are an example. The Maw upgrades aren’t account wide, only Torghast.
Why should it be.
Just since something is a alt dosent mean it should skip content.
An alt is exactly that an alternative char as such as a alternative it should have to earn it stuff. If you want the abilty to play to toons and the advantage when it comes to rare item farm among other spot where alts have clear advantage you should earn that advantage.
Ease of play for alts is fine and makes sense when it comes to the next patch making the old patch stuff easier so alts remain relevant without a redic amount of work but current patch content such as the current rep people are working on should not be shared till the following patch. Either you put the work in or don’t have as good of an alt as a trade of.
Also there is vary little in shadowlands you “need” to do. Ve’nari rep is not one of them. The rep is only tied to the abilty to socket 5 slots if one doesn’t roll on it (when speaking char power wise). That amount of power is minimal at best. Its far from something you need to do to be completive or to have the alt usable. Shadowlands is much more alt freindly than the AP grinds to keep AP current on two toons.
Your alt is automatically gimped because it’s most likely missing a week of progress, get out of here with this garbage.
You just gave more reason for Ve’nari reputation to not need to be grinded on every character: it’s not a huge amount of power, but it is enough to matter if you aren’t a filthy casual.
The reason its not a huge amount of power is a reason to NOT share it not to share it key diff. If it was a massive amount of power and work sharing would make sense (or at least you would have a case to argue) as the toon is not useable otherwise. Small amounts of power like this should be earned not given as the toon is quite useable without it and even for mythic raiders it is not a level of power that matters. If they need your alts class or spec for some reason enough to need you on it over your main the power loss from not having 5 sockets will not be the reason your back on your main if it was they really din’t need that alt.
As for missing a week of progress your not other than a round of mythic that once m+ is out is made moot as you can farm as much as you want making the m0 loot not that great. Your a week behind on ash yes but you only need your bis lego so after making a t4 that will happen rather quick even if a week behind after that your not any behind effectively. Renown is tied to much more if anything should be asking for that to be shard or gear if you want to save time. Renown really dosen’t take much to handle for the week thou I did myn in about 1.5 hours this week and will only get faster with time. Ve’nari rep even if slightly behind you catch up at some point and the power loss is not game breaking.
Come down to if you want to have an alt you should earn it. There is no reason what so ever that your alt should do things faster just since its an alt. I can agree with alternative paths for alts so your not redoing the same. Not outright better paths till the next patch. A alt is a different toon and should be treated as such. You should not get the advantage of the flexibility of an alt without putting in the work.
The maw rep isn’t really important. The torghast upgrades are account wide and that’s really the only thing Ve’nari gives beyond gem slots for the mega turbo nerds and crafter’s mark 2.
Doesn’t even have to do with power.
Many of these morons don’t realize you need the Vena’ri rep to progress the Kyrian and Ardenweald campaign because the Kyrian campaign takes you to Perdition Hold, and the Ardenweald campaign to Soulwarrens, and without the Ven’ari rep you die miserably to the zone debuff.
The Maw is NOT optional.
I’m generally against rep sharing for characters … but for Maw hoe… I’ll make an exception.
I did the rare elite from gathing the 3 items and summoning him in perdition hold pre unlocking the area the debuff thou sucks its not impossible to quest there when its on you its only double damage.
Its even easier now as you can get a group of friends to help so your hardly hit even more so if a tank is doing the quests in that area at the same time.
The maw is optional but recommended. Ulti in the end thou if someone wants an alt they should be fine doing stuff twice otherwise they should not have an alt. They should not get the perks of having the flexibility of an alt without the work.
You clearly have not been to the Soulwarrens without Vena’ri rep, especially as a mage or hunter or warrior or even rogue.
No I haven’t but have as a prot pally and just like the hold was able to move around just fine in a group. Just like the hold as other unlock it even if you don’t they will be able to help you if you don’t unlock it.
Point still stands thou if you want a alt you should earn it, while it is quite possible to go to those locations without unlocking with some effort. You don’t get to have a easy time just since you have a main if you want the perks of having a alt you put in the work. Either by jumping through a few hoops like getting friends to excort you in areas your not unlocked or do your extra quests.
No, Crafters Mark II is tied directly to your Ve’nari rep which means your crafting skill is tied to directly to Ve’nari rep.
Yes your crafting skill is tied to her rep but again read what was said your comment dose not inpact the statment made. It was said char power is not tied to the rep save for sockets.
The crafting mark is not char power being tied as nothing the crafting mark is needed for is exclusive to the rep all of them can be bought from another crafter as such that power boost is not tied to the rep as such the comment stands.
The comment you should of made is that the rep also can upgrade conduits beyond the normal limit, for char power in which case you would be correct.
But as you necroed a two month old thread the statment even is MORE correct now as the maw rep only gives conduit and socket upgrades for season one gear so the rep is not even required for char power past season one leaving it as a quite optional rep and not something you “need” to do. We also know your comment is also incorrect about the maw rep being required for crafting as we know crafting mark 3 exists just not out yet in live as such we know it’s comming further making the rep not “needed” as the crafting marks set the ilvl the lower ones are not required.
maybe because the one thing you would want for alts becomes completely useless if you actually get to that rep level?
So?
Your alt is not your main. There is no reason for it to be shared. If you want it on your alt get it on your alt it’s that’s simple. It becoming useless or not at that rep level is grounds to ask for the rep requirement on that item to be lowered not to ask for the rep to be shared. Alts are not your main and should not get everything your main has just since your main has done it. If you want the benefit of having alt at the same progression as your main you should have to put the time in.
as someone who doesnt really do many of the venari stuff , i would say no. its not really necessary
the torghast unlocks are already accountwide. that is sufficient for me
If it isn’t needed then why all of the animosity towards people that don’t want grind her rep on five different toons to be able to make the level II crafters marks? Level III Crafters marks will undoubtedly be tied to a different. If it is so irrelevant then why all the fuss?
Yes exactly why all the fuss. It’s not needed as such if you want it earn it. If you want it on 5 toons earn it on 5 toons.
There is no reason for you to have something someone else dosent have just since you did it on you main. Your alt is exactly that a alternative char and should be treated as such.
You want the perks of multi toons you also have to deal with the cons and that includes the more chores.
My thing is not about you not wanting to farm on 5 toons it’s entirely you thinking just since you did it on your main you should have it on your alt. That is not the case your alt is not your main and vice versa. If you don’t want to farm on 5 toons don’t. You won’t get the perks for farming it than your call and both picks are fine. But you should not get it for free just since your main has it. You picked to have your proff on your alt (I did also) in order to have diff proff on the main for diff reasons in my case eng as it’s handy, as such if I want to use my alt to craft I should have to earn that mark on him to counter the gain of having more profession slots.
Where did ANYONE say that wanted it solely for themselves? I think our discussion has reached it’s end. Have a pleasant evening.
Where did I say anyone said they wanted it solo for themselves you really should learn to read.
No person period should have something on your alt since you have it on your main. My comment was not speaking of YOU wanting it just for yourself but EVERYONE with a main should NOT have on there alt. A new player dose not have crafting mark 2 just since some people have it on there mains. your alt is exactly that a new player they are not special they are a new alternative toon no different than any new player.