How many tiers between 200 and 226? It does sound very expensive in that regard. Not that it should be cheaper per se, but it sounds like a very, very large amount of time farming stygia if so.
1900 x 20 x ?
It seems to be 184 --> 200 --> 213 --> 226.
So itâd be 2 tiers, but as theyâve pointed out, itâll be the only way to get some Conduits to 226 at the moment. If you are getting Conduits from Heroic/Mythic, youâre speeding up that process by knocking out those ones from the pool.
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Only 2, goes 200 -> 213 -> 226. However, if youâre raiding heroic or mythic, youâll get some of those naturally. Even if you use it for every single one, 21 * 2 * 1900 = ~80k Stygia. I donât remember how much you get per week once youâve got everything unlocked, but I feel like itâs at least 3-4k, so thatâs maybe 20 weeks if all youâre doing is the weekly. Perhaps half that if youâre doing dailies too. 10-20 weeks of easy entirely-solo content to fully upgrade every single one to mythic itemlevel, less with drops, isnât exactly ridiculous.
Also with that over time, people will be getting more and more useless rewards from the Vault, so theyâll probably start opting for Stygia rewards because thereâs nothing good, and also the Soul Ash missions should be more accessible, so those that arenât already doing them will start adding them into the pile.
Yeah thats not terrible, but thatâs a lot farming and also means youâre not socketing stuff that whole time either. Iâve got to check the scaling chart for conduits post 200 and find out which is more important. While I realize every little bit helps (minmaxing obv) so far the difference between 171 and 200 felt pretty negligible.
Depends on the conduit. 200 is rank 5, 226 is rank 7. That bump to my Wild Spirits conduit is only an increase of about 1.75% damage from Wild Spirits as a whole. However, that increase to Trueshot is literally an entire extra Aimed Shot cast.
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The opportunity cost to socket would depend on whether youâre waiting for the dice roll to award you your BiS in the first place. And of course, most people are definitely not going to be upgrading every Conduit to the max, since itâs only the rolls until the 2 main Potency ones or w/e get selected.
As far as scaling, even pure mathematical boosts are exponential because of how scaling in the game works, and several specs even have Conduits that have certain threshold bumps at certain ilvl jumps.
Which begs the question: why would one design content that you dont wanna be?
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Because theyâre trying to give you something without giving you something.
Some players want sockets. Blizzard probably believes that those players are in a minority that will go to extreme lengths to secure a power increase.
Blizzard has tried to engineer a place that will allow players to farm something, without making it attractive to the masses. In an effort to regulate the amount of pain will put themselves through for a minor boost they put a daily cap on the time you can productively spend there.
The disconnect in understanding itâs purpose is precisely the cognitive dissonance your expressing: âwhy would they create content that they donât want me to engage?â
I think itâs a miscalculation on their part to think players would be comfortable not using part of the product they paid for. I donât think itâs a totally unreasonable expectation, but I think to some degree they greatly underestimated the amount of casual players that feel compelled to spend time there.
They talk regularly about trying new forms of content, not knowing how it will be received, but feeling that the risk is necessary to expand the value of the game, or explore new types of activities for the players.
Hopefully there will be some positives and the negatives will be recognized and avoided in the future.
Almost certainly. Blizzard will learn from their mistakes, then go on to make new and ever more inventive ones next time. And then theyâll come back and make the same mistakes over again in ~2-3 expansions. Thatâs how they function.
hum. 2 days⌠thatâs how long it took to clear layer 8.
and itâs just because i had a raid on the first day.
stop being so dramatic, layer 1-2-3-4-5 are free.
Well, depending on class and spec, itâs around 8-20 hours of runs. But it was also two months of time-gating. And once again, that all to earn back something we already have.
and during those 2 month surely you learned where the outrider path in order to steal their mount, the various teleport around the map / hook point allowing you to move vertically?
itâs not half the issue people make it out to be.
Those are also still incomplete compensations for earning back something we had already earned, gated behind doing content in its worst possible state to slowly get back some things.
Side note: I did laugh when they decided they were going to only let us use a couple of specific mounts in the Maw, after they literally gutted water walking claiming they wanted to open up the diversity/choice of mounts to use.
At least âitâs not as big an issueâ is not a defense because it implicitly acknowledges that it is an issue.
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Bro, monks are busted in Torghast on a level I have never seen before in any content that wasnât some Rextroy video where he exploited a completely busted set of mechanics.
I ran with 3 monks last night for fun and it was the most bored and irrelevant I can remember feeling in a group ever. I was on my shaman and most pulls I couldnât get a single cast off. If I didnât cast Stormkeeper before the first mob took damage I literally couldnât use an instant cast Chain Lightning before the mobs died.
All 3 monks had 5 stacks of whatever ridiculous nonsense makes their vivify do the most busted damage ever. All three were hitting 300k dps on the last floors. We could pull entire areas and devour them in seconds.
For whatever it means to you, I was kind of impressed you got to layer 8 so quickly, I itâs likely that youâre a good player, but Iâm gonna be honest, I donât have a single shred of respect for the amount of trash talking and ego stroking youâve done over something I know wasnât that hard for your class.
yeah, monk corosive dosage have uncapped AoE
⌠or you could go with paladin and their perma-wing and near no CD bubble
or DK with 5 second kick and giga death strike
or destro lock hitting 5 mil conflag on floor 18
or druid killing bosses with just convoke.
the list goes onâŚ
Meanwhile, the best hunters really get is doubled Aimed Shot (or Kill Command) and 100% crit chance and damage for a few seconds per minute. >.>
Oh, but when weâre controlling our pets with Eyes of the Beast, they can do 500% more damage!..and still do less damage than if weâre controlling them because we canât use Kill Command or Bestial Wrath like that.
Iâm not aware of any circumstances that will net me an easy sustained 100k dps. Let alone 300k or more. I cannot pull entire wings and heal/dps them down with a single spell that pulls 400k.
I can murder bosses in short order, but I cannot stand at range, cast a heal on another player and top the dps meters to such an extraordinary degree. We were finishing entire floors in the time it takes some players to defeat pulls with 2 elites in them.
Iâm not saying anything needs to change, other than trying to brag about running a marathon when you did it from the front seat of a sports car.
Thereâs a lot of busted stuff out there. Iâm just saying, your stuff is off the charts easy, so handing out the âgit gudsâ to people is a bit like rich people telling poor people to stop being poor.
neither does corosive dosage on ST.
I cannot pull entire wings and heal/dps them down with a single spell that pulls 400k.
thatâs not gonna work on layer 7-8 either.
I can murder bosses in short order,
hey, you are good at stuff we arenât⌠and iâd wage more people get stuck on bosses than a random pack of trash.
cast a heal on another player
you⌠kind of have to tank itâŚ
other than trying to brag about running a marathon when you did it from the front seat of a sports car.
would it make you feel better if I posted on my DK? every class have OP combo⌠minus rogue, maybe.
Have you run triple monk? Iâm telling you itâs single most busted thing Iâve witnessed in this game. I feel like describing it doesnât even begin to approach the absurdity I was seeing.
Again, Iâm not calling for nerfs or buffs. Iâm ok with what I can manage. I am a little disappointed to think that things are this out of balance between classes.