Not dooming and glooming but it’s obvious that the ball was dropped when it comes to certain classes, DH for instance has been ignored the entire beta and i know other classes have too! And it’s really pushing a lot of players away, myself included and Shadowlands played one hell of a number on subs, honestly i am worried because it’s painfully obvious that TWW needs at least 3 months of work and that’s just for real class tuning and fixing class bugs! I think the goodwill and patience is gone, we were promised response to feedback and literally it’s been radio silence for far too many classes! This isn’t good and it’s not helping the game!
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We might’ve been promised (that might be a stretch they rarely promise anything) response to feedback, but not necessarily equal to all feedback. Mages, DKs, Hunters, and Shamans seem to have taken most of that feedback this time around 
They don’t need to redesign a class if it works well
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Mages weren’t working well in DF? That’s news to me 
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Something that works well is a matter of opinion. Mage dev might’ve wanted to make some tweaks to correct things they couldn’t all expansion. We did have a lot of changes going into DF and doing sweeping changes mid expansion can be tricky.
They could just think DH is in a good place and don’t want to change much. Or they don’t want to change something for the sake of changes that could cause problems later.
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What’s Blizzards excuse for not making a blue post and telling us these things? If they think a class is in a good spot then they should tell us. We’ve had zero communication this entire beta compared to Dragonflight.
This is what irks me more than the lack of class changes. The silence.
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Amen to this. All other issues can be forgiven and forgotten if a dev team can hold a prolonged conversation with the player base. What has happened this beta cycle was pure cowardice and a pathetic effort on a company wide level to provide a quality experience to their customers. More people will quit the longer this goes on, that much is certain.
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This is why DHs were given only a small rework before S3. Because “major changes are best done between expansions” to paraphrase their past responses.
Well, here we are between expansions, and yet nothing has been done but a couple of nerfs to Vengeance, and what we most have to look forward to in expansion – the hero talents – the one that works well requires near perfect execution, while the other is abysmally undertuned and falls flat in the one aspect it should shine: class fantasy.
Welcome to wow. it’s been this way for like 20 years. No sense in fighting it and just roll fotm.
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What baffles me the most is all the feedback given that hasn’t even been acknowledged.
A simple blue post stating we hear you and more changes are planned for after release would go a long way rather than the radio silence.
Let’s be real, we all know the start of S1 will be a nightmare with how many changes still need to be done. But at the very least it be nice to know any proposed changes coming, or anything. My rogue feels totally forgotten about.
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They are getting feedback. They collect feedback themselves by look at statistics on which classes are being played and how they are doing in game.
Remember the video we just saw of Ion talking about Affliction Warlocks? He was talking at length about what they saw in the game and it was not based on player feedback, it was obviously from data they collected from sensors in the software.
We can look at comments or look at what a few people we know are doing but they see all of what how ever many million players are doing and they are making decisions accordingly.
As for the Shadowlands problem, Ion was clear about that. He said the problem was that they were focusing too much on stories and characters. Being an advanced raid type of guy that’s probably where he will put the emphasis since those were the people who complained the most about Shadowlands.
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It’s funny when ppl say they’re not here to doom and gloom, but they do it anyway.
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At this point I’m convinced they’ve been down a couple class devs. No way do you hard ignore 4 classes like they have and not be down.
Could you explain what you are doing if not “dooming and glooming”?
Cause this post sounds a whole lot like dooming and glooming.
Especially considering the title isn’t really related to the body of the OP…
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Jesus…could someone make a BIG billboard sized sign of this one and maybe put it somewhere on a wall in Ions office?
lol
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Fire and Arcane were both incredibly punishing in my opinion. It made a lot of people gravitate towards frost.
Fire also has been slowly losing itself as a mobile class and missing out on fun mechanics which TWW is implementing again.
I think overall frost has been the only consistent mage spec in DF.
When HUNTER was IGNORED for TWENTY STRAIGHT MONTHS, who gave a flip about that?
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DH gets major overhaul and becomes one of the strongest contenders in the PvE meta and rules for two whole seasons uncontested.
“We aren’t getting major rework in TWW. D:”
Hm. Okay.
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Ragemode would!
Or do they not post anymore on the plight of hunters?
That’s a complicated subject. I would not trust the official forums nor Truepoo Lodge Discord to find feedback. They are actually rebels against the establishment, and are a huge element of the problem. They can do that because they still represent a sizable portion of the community, and Blizzard had feared the consequences of punishing them. Robber barons, in a couple shorter words.
As long as BM spec gets critical representation, they don’t care how it affects MMs, SVs, and non-Hunters in the community. Because it’s a zero-sum game, they especially don’t want MMs and SVs hogging up precious mountain space. Yet at the same time, that meant an entire class got trashed on with no support.
Even when I proposed a win/win to make Beastmaster its own class, it was met with harsh criticism. Even when it fully obeys the Law of Conservation of Mass. BM mains want to keep the entire class ignored but in their ulterior favor. So I have asked now, “Who gave a flip?”
I KNOW WHY the class was ignored, I know WHAT was getting the class ignored, and I know WHO was responsible. I was hoping that with Microsoft’s oversight, this would no longer be.
Since Legion, Hunter was truly a one-spec class. It was kept that way by the majority of the class community and Blizzard’s consent. SV mains were mafioso’ed to the ground. MM mains were “taxed” heavily. That’s one spec that was a joke on the ground sucking wind and another spec that was a walking joke with its earning capability. Dark times. Nobody cared.
I think that’s changing, though, so we’ll have to see. Microsoft is going to have to come up with something BIG to save us all.
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