What the entire dreadlords infiltrating the legion thing is about? I honestly can’t keep up with the lore (it is so painful and just badly written now) that I genuinely thought I saw a scene where they were saying that ‘legion was just part of the jailors plan’ type thing… pleas tell me this is not true?
It’s a bad retcon.
Dreadlords aren’t demons anymore. They’re agents of death loyal to Denathrius. So now they’re the ones that told Sargeras that the void would destroy the universe, causing him to create the Legion, and then later gave him the Helm of Domination, which caused him to create the Scourge and the Lich King.
So basically the new lore is that the Legion has been manipulated by the dreadlords and Denathrius this entire time.
Bad.
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I don’t understand why it is so Bad? Also them revealing things that were unknown to everyone doesn’t make it a retcon. It makes it a Revelation.
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For some reason they felt it necessary to link the Nathrezim and the Revendreth. You tell me why and we’ll both know.
I expect to hear any moment that Gnomes are the offshoot of some weird scientific experiment by the First ones and we are actually the love children of the Night Fae and Murlocs.
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Because it’s the kind of retcon that makes less sense the more you think about it, especially when you go all the way back to Wrath and Warcraft III lore. It’s a retcon made for shock value to establish the dreadlords as these illuminati-eque figures, but all it really does it twist the lore into a convoluted mess.
Here’s an example; Shadowlands now claims that the role of the Lich King existed to pave the way for the Jailer’s rule over Azeroth. The Jailer and the dreadlords are on the same side. So…
- Why did Kel’thuzad explicitly tell Arthas not to trust any of the drealords and characterize them as being the Lich King’s jailers (i.e. the ones keeping him imprisoned and subservient to the Legion)?
- Why did the Lich King command Arthas to kill Mal’ganis?
- Why did Mal’ganis swear vengeance on the Lich King during Wrath?
- Why were the dreadlords complicit in Kil’jaeden’s efforts to destroy the Lich King completely during Frozen Throne?
- Why did Arthas Lich King purge all dreadlords from the Scourge and replace them with the San’layn?
- Why did dreadlords such as Balnazzar seize control of the Scourge away from the Lich King after Tichondrius and Archimonde were defeated?
None of it makes sense with the new lore. It’s a retcon, not a revelation.
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All this ‘revelation’ would be ok if there was some foreshadowing of it, or if it hadn’t been fairly clearly explained in previous books and expansion. The story of the Nathrezim and Sargeras was pretty clear cut. Now its like, well no there is more going on. I mean, just how much can we trust anything we are told anymore? Anything, absolutely anything, can be changed to suit their new story direction.
I don’t want a story to change, I want it to go forward and evolve from what we already know. Otherwise it just feels like a cheap retread.
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Oh no, it’s about to get even worse. Guarantee it.
The Light is the next big bad. The light sent Uther’s soul to Bastion. We’re about to get hit with a lore bomb that claims the Light has been playing 7D chess this entire time, intentionally sends fractured Uther’s soul to Bastion, bypasses the Arbiter, and kickstarts the Jailer’s plans by indirectly causing Uther and Devos to form the Mawsworn. So now we can’t even trust paladins.
It’s exhausting.
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The jailer can’t even leave a zone but someone is some wizard of oz guy pushing all the buttons behind a curtain.
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Yeah I read an interesting theory somewhere, not sure if its based on something gleaned from books or whatever, that all the living peoples of Reality were created in order to feed anima to the S’lands when they died, effectively the reverse of what everyone always thought (that the afterlife was effectively a heaven where souls went to exist in peace). So a bit like the Matrix, where humanoids served as batteries. I mean if thats true it is rather clever and I wouldn’t mind that idea going forward as it explores something we knew very little about.
Wait they actually did that I thought it was just a terrible theory…
I dunno, man, I just want to go back to places like Gilneas, Silvermoon, Hyjal…
The further we get away we get from Azeroth, the less it feels like I’m playing warcraft anymore. You’re talking Matrix stuff now. That’s about as far away from Warcraft, something that started as a medieval fantasy IP, that you can possibly get.
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Blizzard reading this: Write that down write that down!
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I’d believe it. No amount of natural selection would have gnomes be the strongest of the species. SOMETHING had to have intervened.
Some of the retcon are so bad, for example, runeblade like Frostmourne no longer being crafted by Dreadlords, yet in one of their old panel, they said Apocalypse is the ‘sister’ of Frostmourne, crafted by the Dreadlords to conquer worlds, passed from Dreadlord to Dreadlord, each one of them reforge it to be even stronger.
That doesn’t make sense unless they retcon Apocalypse as well, Dreadlord isn’t the one that made runeblade anymore now, and Apocalypse should not be called a runeblade.
Based on the latest covenant campaign quests the answers to all your questions are easy to determine.
The real twist is we get to the end and the Jailer is a dreadlord and turns out, we’re all dreadlords too. World of Dreadlordcraft.
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Jaina has been a dreadlord from the start. There’s no need to retcon her.
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Did you ignore the HELICOPTERS in Warcraft 3? Cause i think you think Warcraft was something its never actually been.
This is the problem with the current writers. They don’t respect the old lore, so they just change whatever they want whenever they want to shove in a new plot point. Nothing in the narrative holds up under scrutiny, and it’s a mess full of countless contradictions.
The best example of this were the chronicles books. They were intended to straighten out and firmly define the established lore. The very instant the lore became inconvenient to the writers’ vision, they immediately retconned the books into being a “titan’s account of events,” despite none of the titans mentioned in said books having any way of knowing all the described events.
The writers turned the books into wastes of money overnight, because now they are as canon as fanfiction. The same fate awaits any books which may prove inconvenient to the writers in the future, so don’t bother buying any WoW books because they could be stricken from the canon at any moment.
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I wouldn’t say it’s as straightforward as that.
Legion itself was not a part of the Jailors plan but the addition of the Nathrezim would have helped their efforts.
If we take it as Nathrezim were sent as a token of support in the efforts against Azeroth it does not seem so farfetched.
So? People do this from real prison all the time