I thought Horde and Alliance were enemies and now at the beginning of SL they act like they have always been best buds. Is there something in the past that made them friends?
Jaina has a crush on Thrall.
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Wrong forums. This is Classic WoW stuff, not Shadowlands.
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once you go green your don’t go back…
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Someone has some lore to catch up on.
Even still though, didnt Thrall and Jaina have to work together in Warcraft 3?
Thrall and Jaina have been cool since Warcraft 3. Thrall spent a large part of his life learning from and living among humans.
The whole Horde and Alliance rivalry is just something the WoW devs cooked up in Vanilla WoW to give a lore and RP context to PvP.
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They made peace and worked together to defeat the Burning Legion in Warcraft 3. But Jaina’s racist dad attacked the Horde afterward and ruined the peace.
Basically, both factions would be living in peace if it weren’t for the Alliance being so damn racist.
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Crap I meant to put in the Lore forums
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Well, no. Not at all. The first Warcraft was called “Warcraft: Orcs and Humans” after all. It’s always been orcs vs humans. That was literally what the “war” in the first “Warcraft” was.
The only thing that changed was more races were added to orcs and they called them the “Horde” in later Warcraft games and more races were added to the humans and they were called “Alliance”. But even that all happened before World of Warcraft.
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Thrall is a simp
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None of that is relevant in Warcraft 3 onwards.
Grom Hellscream killed Mannoroth thus freeing the Orcs of demonic enslavement and their bloodpact with Mannoroth permanently. The Orcs no longer have a reason to attack or fight with the humans since they all migrate to Kalimdor now that they’re no longer being forced to wage war with humans by the Burning Legion.
Thrall’s Horde is completely different from the Horde of Blackhand and Doomhammer.
Jaina and Thrall work together countless times to counter The Burning Legion and the Orcs and Humans are forced to cooperate numerous times too. They come up with an enduring peace treaty that guarantees peace between Orcs and Humans.
Blizzard only went back on that nice little wrap up of the Human vs Orc conflict because they needed a way to make PvP make sense in World of Warcraft.
There’s also no such thing as “The Alliance” in Warcraft 3. The Night Elves hate the humans and the only reason they hate the Orcs more is because they killed Cenarius.
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Retail lore is a dumpster fire, who cares?
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Thrall is why there was peace in old AZ, because he was civilized.
Or because, y’know, that’s the foundation of Warcraft. Idk… Maybe that’s why?
Imagine Warcraft without a Horde/Alliance conflict. Just imagine that for a moment. What would they call that? “Craft”?
Dude… Yeah there is. The high elves, humans and dwarves are all part of the Alliance in WC3. The sorceress human unit (who is actually a high elf) even says, “For the Alliance”.
Oh wow. So you’re telling me the story involved conflict and resolution? That’s crazy. It’s like they were trying to follow some sort of formula to create a good story for Warcraft 3 or something. Crazy how that works.
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“Imagine Warcraft without a Horde/Alliance conflict”
Oh wait you mean Warcraft 3? By far the greatest of the 3 Warcraft games that completely abandons the old Orcs vs Humans formula?
“The high elves”
Yeah that’s another point in the lore where Blizzard completely broke away from any lore and added Blood Elves to the Horde instead because they so badly needed a “cute” race. The High Elves are not the Night Elves, and Gnomes aren’t even in WC3. So two races or exactly half of this so-called “Alliance” aren’t even in an actual Alliance with the humans in WC3?
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Really?
The intro cinematic is literally a human and orc fighting. Come on dude… Like seriously. Come on…
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Watch it until the end where infernals rain down from the sky and it shows a human and orc dead side by side at the same time? Do you just not understand the implication or something?
I’d recommend playing Warcraft 3 sometime it really is a great game because it honestly seems like you have no idea what you’re talking about but it’s worth figuring it out.
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You see Linaphor, sometimes when a boy and girl like each other…
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Yes, yes. I’ve seen the cinematic countless times. Played through the campaigns who knows how many times. Played hundreds of 1v1 ranked ladder matches online and I was part of a clan me and some friends made on US West. Not to mention all the DotA games. All on a CRT monitor in the 2000s.
I’m very familiar with Warcraft 3, pal. And the conflict between Horde and Alliance never goes away. It merely reaches a temporary peace due to a common enemy. Something that goes away shortly after the common enemy does. This is a very common trope and a very obvious direction for them to head towards for World of Warcraft as, like I said, the Horde/Alliance conflict is sort of the foundation of Warcraft.
I sense nerd rage in this thread.
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