I’m genuinely confused - didn’t the alliance technically win the war? How are the horde back in control? Did I miss a book or something?
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alliance were winning but blizzard needs to balance factions so no one really won, alliance have not power to control anything beyond what they already controled before the war.
and lordaeron were never won, we won arathi highlands but never pushed beyond
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No one “won” the war. It was another stalemate. At the very least the Alliance got back Stromgarde.
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Im still confused - what happened to the alliance that were attacking the city? Did they just casually give up all of territory around lordaeron? This makes no sense lol
They basically arrived via naval invasion, And tried to get Sylvanas.
That was their objective, Alliance under Andiun was never interested in conquering Lordaeron and reclaiming the dead kingdom.
After Sylvanas blew up Capital city they relocated, whatever force survived the siege and the blight, to Stromgarde while the NE forces and Worgen went to darkshore.
A strike force hit Zanadalar to convince the Zandalari that joining the Horde is a bad idea. They failed to do that but at least they blew up some boats and stole some gold.
Aftwards Alliance gathered what little force left and joined the Horde rebels for another siege of Orgrimmar and… yeah Sylvanas Poofed away.
Oh right I almost forgot in the middle of all this Sylvanas sunk a lot of Alliance ships which made the whole Kultiran quest to aquire navy pointless.
And that concludes the epic tale of the Fourth War.
The first three were much better.
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They won the war but left lordaeron cause it was covered in blight
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Didn’t Anduin pretty much tell Calia she could have Lordaeron if she wanted and she said “it belongs to the Forsaken?”
So I thought they just gave it to the Forsaken after they were done with Sylvanas.
So did Anduin go back on his word?
The Alliance forces were always expected to win. As soon as Sylvanas set fire to the tree, she ordered Saurfang to prepare to evacuate UC. It was a “queen’s gambit” unironically. Sylvanas used Lordaeron as bait in a trap to try to take out Alliance Leadership. Both the Alliance and the Horde failed.
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This is exactly what happened because the Alliance is terrible and sucks at everything.
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That’s how I felt with the weird letter given to Greymane. Calia will have the Desolate Council withdraw the Forsaken presence in Worgen lands, but that makes it even weirder because in Exploring the Eastern Kingdoms it was expressly noted that the Worgen had taken back their lands including much of Silverpine and Fenris Isle as well as Southshore. SO? Did they, or didn’t they? Gilneas was somehow still under Forsaken control? That just spun me around for a moment.
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The Alliance just continues to look pathetic in that regard. Gilneas should have already been under Alliance control since they won Stromgarde. The leadership of the Alliance is ridiculously incompetent by the looks of it.
Regardless, i hope this isn’t another SoO moment and we actually see the Alliance do something with Gilneas at the very least. I won’t hold my breath though. Especially since Stromgarde is still locked in the forever Warfront.
Or more likely, Calia meant she’ll pull back the forsaken further away from Gilnean territory? Recognizing the gains that Ivar and the others took, i.e Shadowfang Keep and Fenris Isle.
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Yeah, I think Gilneas has been mostly an unoccupied wasteland for some time now, with bits of it under different groups control. I wonder if they might reflect this development by canning the Gilneas BG for Dragonflight?
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It’s certainly promising. This small quest line does set up future storylines they can tell if they choose to
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Considering the Forsaken now have a way to remove the blight, it would be an interesting first step of “renewal” if they used it to clear the blight in Gilneas.
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That would make more sense and old Greymane wouldn’t have to worry of his people resettling Silverpine and Gilneas as well as Southshore. Now that the Hillsbrad Worgen can return to their homes if we are to believe the pallid lady.
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Welcome to WoW lore, where nothing makes sense at all.
How are the forsaken able to reclaim territory under Alliance occupation? Who knows.
How did they cleanse the blight so quickly? Who knows.
How an Alliance friendly character and Anduin hot auntie got to be the new forsaken leader? Who knows.
How are the Forsaken able to reproduce now when Sylvanas is gone and there are no more Valkyrs available to raise more undead? Who knows.
How are Danuser and his team still employed at Blizzard? Who knows.
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In the recent Eastern Kingdoms book, which is canon lore still last I saw aware, it was clear that the Alliance did not win the war and the Forskaen still controlled and held a lot of their original territory.
Got it so BFA completely pointless… Lordaeron doesn’t belong to the undead it belongs to the living survivors of Lordaeron . I would rather blizzard make it a neutral city living up top forsaken in Undercity due to cross faction but this crap they did is pure crap bad story telling
The Undercity Necropolis should just take off. It’s an upside down Necropolis from WC3.
That and a Necropolis over every remaining towns, of differing sizes governed by UD Forsaken DKs that are capable of resurrecting other Forsaken and can martial the ravenous Scourge as meat shields.
This is would make them more dangerous