I followed the one on Icy Veins but it’s telling me to open with Rupture at only 2 combo points…
Right, rupture deals the same damage per tick regardless of how many combo points you use.
you open with ambush > garrote> rupture
*edited since ambush is now a thing for sin. guaranteed 2cp, with MA high chance of 3cp. follow up with garrote for a pretty consistent 3-4 cp rupture opener.
I would say the logic is to get the energy return from rupture faster in the opener. Under 12 sec, you should be able to go get your slice and dice running, do the vanish burst and then be able to reapply rupture in the end with the normal rotation.
False. Garrote into rupture
I actually want to hear your reason for that
When using MA you want to
Maximize the 12 second window.
A 2 point rupture does the same damage as a 5/6 point rupture. It also gets your venomous sounds proving energy back.
Ok lets see. A few assumptions. Using MA talent. We’re going to ignore azerite SS trait because thats going away in SL. This means that garrote will only give 1 cp. If you open with Garrote, followed by rupture, that gives you an 8 seconds rupture. This won’t give you enough time to follow up with a vanish envenom spam without rupture falling off, and since vendetta is probably used, you generally don’t want to refresh rupture during vendetta.
Second, because you’re limited to the 3 seconds of crit increase when coming out of stealth, this only allows you to cast 3 abilities with the crit buff. Since you’re always going to be using garrote, rupture and mutilate, its strictly better to have garrote > mutilate > rupture, since you have a pretty good chance to have a 3 to 5 cp (depending on mutilate crits) rupture up which will last for your full vendetta without needing to be refreshed until it falls off.
Edit: Regarding the math behind venomous wound. At most if you cast rupture third, you delay 1 tick of rupture which means a 7 energy lost. Imo that is negligible vs casting a 1cp rupture, which is already energy inefficient and having to refresh it during vendetta. This is not even taking in account assassination in SL needs to add SnD into the opener, which means your usual vendetta+vanish+shiv burst will have to be delayed by 1 or 2 globals.
We’re talking prepatch my guy. Not SL so you don’t ignore the trait.
You’re also not factoring in the vanish burst.
Ok lets talk prepatch. No sin rogues would use MA even if they have 1 SS, which is strictly less damage. It doesn’t change anything. I have mentioned vanish burst. You would need to refresh your 1cp rupture before you even go into it. Its a 25 vs 7 point energy lost.
Ok so you would go garrote, ambush/mut, rupture.
In stealth: I recommend . As long as you have full energy (I dont have Vigor. 120 energy)
- Garrote 2) Two ambushes. As I said "Long as you are at full energy you can get the 3rd hit in. A 2nd ambush).
Thats my opener.
I wouldnt use any other talent if have these wrist. You either loose out on a garrote for an ambush or vice versa. But its your call.
Enjoy
Kay
BTW: I will only use a cheap shot if I am solo and other mobs aggrod. Doing Garrote, ambush, ambush gives you 5 combo. If cheap shot is your third hit you will get 4 combo.