…but keep in mind a lot are NYI
The discipline changes are wild, tbh. I reallly don’t know how to feel about them. They’re a complete roller coaster.
On one hand, the apex talent is cool. Evangelism change sounds kinda fun (though probably too much mana still).
But then I see they’re bringing back Plea of all spells? Possibly the worst homework math problem spell of all time. And we already have other specs making better use of Flash heal so… why?
And choice node uppies vs barrier isn’t great either.
Overall happy with Holy + Shadow.
Shadow not having silence on it gives me hope we have a baseline silence/interrupt which would be amazing.
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Immediate thoughts:
Shadow: Seems like they’re dumping everything not void related. Getting rid of Devouring Plague (in name) and calling it Shadow Word: Madness.
Dumping Dark Ascension all together (finally) and giving different buff options for void form.
Shadow Crash being changed to a massive void tentacle that slams enemies in front with damage and then debuffs with vampiric touch (which seems like it might be getting a name change as well based on some other data mining, which would keep the theme of dumping that aspect of priest and going full void theme).
The ‘extra’ spec talents aren’t really game changers, but I’ll take all three of them for testing. Will need the full trees to see if it will be worth taking them or finally getting some hard to compromise options now that we’ll have more points to spend.
In the main priest tree…having FIVE nodes dedicated to Fade just seems insane.
Going to miss Void Shift and PW: Life for PVP, but it’s possible they’re being baked in or changed to pvp talents, etc. Hopefully not, as those are already crowded as heck.
For disc: choosing uppies or barrier is going to suck HARD in all the modes I play in the game. Losing an extra group “OH @#$^” button is just not going to be great.
I’m curious if other healing specs are losing group buttons like that as well, or if Disc with Evangelism is just too strong to have both on the keybar.
Evangelism with the PVP talent that makes radiance instant seems like it’s going to be OP, so I don’t see the pvp talent staying as-is.
Bringing Shadow Mend back, complete with the “does great healing, but drains life after” was…a choice.
EDIT: Just noticed that only disc gets shadowfiend now (and the option for Mind Bender).
Curious what will make up for that cooldown for shadow, still some NYI talents there.
I don’t see Symbol of Hope anywhere.
Which makes me feel bad because that was the only “unique” stuff holy priest had and now it has nothing unique in terms of utility.
I’m also not seeing Skull bash (Druid interrupt) for resto druid (It was in the class tree) so I’m wondering if they are either removing interrupts from classes/specs or just making them default for everyone
For Holy the spec tree looks interesting, I hope it comes with nice and awesome visual effects for Cosmic Ripple, Benediction (Flash heal empowered) and Ultimate Serenity.
It’s also weird not having Renew as a spell anymore, it has become 100% a passive healing buff now
Oracle has become THE prayer of mending hero talent now, and we are losing Premonition which is also sad, no longer we’ll be able to spam dispels with insight, or give a DR + shield. But we’re getting Piety baseline, which sounds quite good.
I don’t even know how Archon is going to compete with Oracle at all. At least for M+ Oracle is looking like the way to go.
Archon might have a chance in raid since we are losing Answered Prayers from the spec tree.
In terms of utility the spec is actually losing more than winning.
RIP Divine star btw
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I’m wondering if renew is just a learned spell now, because otherwise it’s just like proc mastery.
Holy is leaning a lot into cleave and redistributing healing.
Piety being baseline in Oracle redistributing 20% of overhealing.
Ultimate serenity redistributing 15% of it’s healing
Binding heals redistributing heals on you for 20% of the healing done.
Trail of light redirecting 25% of Flash Heal healing done.
I hope all this redistributing helps Holy in AoE situation where right now it kinda lacks
Yeah the holy nova talent in the main tree could help, but a 30 second cooldown seems prohibitive.
yeah I saw that and was just absolutely puzzled
Shadow is also getting Shadowfiend in the talent tree and the following talent to transform it into a mindbender
Only Holy is losing shadowfiend
They’re updating the healing model as a whole it looks like so that healers (ideally) aren’t rotating cooldowns constantly and have time to react.
I’m skeptical. Attempts to slow down healing have never really gone great.
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The issue isn’t that, necessarily. More that plea’s (at least what it does in the current alpha talent) is basically an old spell that was Discipline’s atonement applicator - it didn’t do great healing, and it started very low mana cost but the more atonements out the more expensive it got.
But… we have flash heal, renew and SoL’s cost reduction. It doesn’t really fit the spec at all? Unless that is just a placeholder for something else.
We want Holy to continue to feel like one of the most approachable healers, so these changes are aimed at accomplishing that.
I hope this doesn’t make them leaving Holy priest with less tools than other healers just to be “more approchable”.
Make the spec interesting and it doesn’t matter if it’s approchable or not, the players will try it out if they want or not.
This is the ONLY holy caster healer we have in the game, a lot of people like to fulfill that fantasy and play at a high level.
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Ugh, I do not want to be a tentacle priest.
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The removal of premonition should really tell you all you need about what they’re trying to do.
It’s about cognitive load. They’re removing pretty much all the things that you’d have to think about in the spec beyond ST heal and AoE heal. And Ultimate Serenity is even a talent that removes a ST heal and morphs it into your AoE heal.
Honestly I think their design will work but I don’t know if I want to play it.
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Shadow looks catatonic to play without MFI, Void Torrent, or Void Bolt.
How did Shadowfiend survive the pruning?
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Just straight up removing Void Torrent with 0 mentions of Voidweaver in the notes is certainly a choice.
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This is kinda long overdue considering it’s original link to Forsaken only.
Love this.
I’m a tad confused but maybe Void Torrent is now just Voidweaver only?
It’s Blizzard’s favorite priest spell by far. It’s a minor miracle holy lost it.
I’m very pleased to see MFI and VoiT going away and Voidform getting Void Volley is cool, but the changes basically make Voidform just Dark Ascension without the wings. Removing Void Bolt completely feels like a very odd choice in general since it’s the best opportunity shadow gets for free movement, but especially odd with MFI and VoiT gone.
It’s just going to be MB, DP, and MF at all times, so catatonic sounds about right.
Void Torrent and MFI have gone… maybe they want to rework the hero talents and how voidweaver and archon works for shadow ? because without those spells it makes no sense at all
btw thank you for the talent trees ! appreciate it
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is the new shadow crash a nerf? since it is only in front of you, we gonna need to stay close to packs, i do admit it doesn’t matter, but we are losing the DOT re-apply in council fights with a single GCD with no cast time, right?