Can Heigan safe spot be fixed?

To many people, min/maxing is fun.

Yet min/maxing isn’t necessary to succeed in Classic. You don’t have to adhere to any min/maxing if you really don’t want to.

Form your own group.

1 Like

5% of playerbase =/= most people. I’d argue most players don’t enjoy overly trivialized content.

And please, take the incessant, FiNd OtHeR lIkE-MiNdEd PlAyErS drone elsewhere. Minmax culture spreads faster than herpes; almost every group of casual players I’ve been in has eventually been ruined by minmaxers.

I get what you’re saying, but I don’t think it is correct to say something isn’t an against the TOS and then in the next sentence refer to it as an “exploit”.

I would expect all exploits to be against the TOS, no?

Read what I said, bud.

Then it might be more than 5% of the playerbase, huh? Why exactly would it be so popular if people didn’t like it?

You’ve got some real cognitive dissonance going on there, man.

I don’t think you know what cognitive dissonance means, but that’s okay we all like to use buzzwords we don’t understand every once on a while.

What I meant by my statement is that even in casual environments there eventually always is someone who starts minmaxing and tries to push the meta on others.

Simultaneously holding two or more conflicting beliefs.

In your case:
Only 5% of the player base finds min/maxing fun, yet min/maxing is so prevalent that it has ruined all of your casual groups.

Is it popular, or is it unpopular? It can’t be both.

And you can ignore them, remove them, etc. The only reason that mentality could actually affect your group in ANY way is if people agreed and went along with it.

One person being a min/maxer isn’t going to turn a bunch of casuals into hardcore players.

Has anyone ever told you that you’re as dense as a neutron star?

That’s a clever insult. Haha.

True, but you don’t need to do anything special to utilize this exploit, its quite literally you do nothing and that’s the exploit.

If you had to run some kinda script or wall hack or something, then sure that would be ban worthy, but this is literally “Stand here” and avoid the mechanic.

that was friggin sadly hilarious. Honestly I would have just wiped it up and started again rather than force my fellow raiders to sit through 2 hours of me rubbing their faces in their failure.

no one “pushes” it, people min/max because it works. doing well is fun. anything worth doing is worth doing right.

Doesnt matter if the game has it through no fault of your own. if you use unintended things to avoid mechanics you are exploiting and should get actioned. With how blizzard CRS is though who knows if you would

You can’t skip mechanics in retail lol.

Maybe in LFR. But even then I doubt it.

You must not actually raid in retail.

There are numerous examples of mechanics you can simply ignore with enough DPS. That doesn’t mean all of them, mind you, but they do exist.

I never said that there are mechanics that can be skipped, though I’m sure I could think of a few timer based mechanics that could be skipped with enough DPS. Here, let me quote what I actually said to you so you can read it again very carefully:

Sorry you must be confusing easy mode classic to mythic raiding.

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

Keep denying reality. :slight_smile:

We abused Z axis in BWL back in Vanilla, a GM ported in and asked what we were doing, and literally the next week it was nerfed. No punishment was made, but they did change the encounter.

The WB meta was the worst thing to ever to become mainstream in Classic and has partly ruined the experience sadly.

If I had a choice to make Ony buff on an actual timer without cheesing it I would without hesistation and I would make every buff dispellable.

1 Like

How is that not reality??

Classic raids are no where near how hard mythic raiding is.

2% of the players that mythic raid get cutting edge.

Classic bosses have 1-2 mechanics. You stand there and turret into them without fear of dying.

Naxx is only *hard" because the average classic player just isn’t good.

And I never argued otherwise.

What you should do now is go back and read what I actually said very carefully.

Okay? You know the content in Classic has been documented and theorycrafted for 15 years, right?

It isn’t some surprise that few players clear the Mythic content in the current patch when Cutting Edge is only available for a limited time, raiding isn’t even the best way to obtain gear, all gear from a patch is totally invalidated the moment the next patch comes out become of item level bloat, and it’s been out a grand total of… a few weeks!

Come back to ANY Mythic raid 15 years later with hundreds of thousands of people min/maxing and theorycrafting every last detail about the expansion and the content and tell me what percentage clears the raid when it’s relevant content.

Of course Classic is easy. No one is arguing otherwise. None of that changes the fact that retail has some mechanics you can simply ignore by doing more DPS.

To say otherwise demonstrates your lack of raiding experience in retail and is a denial of reality.

Maybe you should have more than 6/10N progress before commenting on others’ skill.