Can anyone seriously claim there's a better mmorpg than wow out there?

Huh. I hadn’t heard that, might have to give it a try when it’s out if it looks good. I tried LOTRO really briefly years ago, I don’t remember much about it.

Never said it was the BEST :wink: You assumed that. Fact that it is the fastest selling game of all time. Which understandably means the gAmE iSn’T DeAd oR DyInG - which was the original statement I replied to. Not about it being the BEST.

Follow along now :slightly_smiling_face:

I had no idea myself until watching a YouTube video for New World and seen that info about Lotro. I really hope it pans out to be a great MMO.

Everquest is still king.

Nothing wrong with that, I’ve tried to get my Wife to play FFXIV and ESO and she really didn’t enjoy either one them over wow.

Strange metric given that it was on sale for a year before it launched.

Strange that it doesn’t change the record.

I’ve heard a few times that WoW is a single player game and not an MMO. Not that I believe it, because I like open world stuff and instances with more players than a Call of Duty match, but the idea of the best MMO not being an MMO anymore is a humorous one.

And given the number of new MMO’s that come out, they’re generally accurate. Gaming companies have little interest in creating behemoth persistent worlds at this point, when they can bang out repetitive garbage tier P2W titles and make even more cash while doing so.

WoW is a hilariously forgiving, rather fractured overall gaming experience at this point. But it’s also the most varied, has some of the best systems and combat going, and a very visually appealing graphic style.

I’m in the minority of thinking that Asherons Call was the best MMO experience I’d had way back in the day. The game did a ton of things right in terms of sandbox elements, had a perfect death penalty mechanic, and open-ness that really allowed players to sort of ‘be the end game content’ themselves.

Same. I even tried LoTRO and GW2.

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Ha! Yes! I played those too! BEFORE I got into WoW no less!

It was fun, but I found the end game kind of lacking, and the “inventory” being all round buttons with abstract logos was kind of off putting. And when I tried to get back into it years later, a crafting system had been introduced that I couldn’t wrap my head around.

But CoH/CoV had some of the best character customization that I had ever seen. In some ways, character designing was more fun than the game itself.

Years later, I’d try DC Online and Champions Online. They just don’t compare gameplay wise. All the alts just feel too samey to each other. I quit them when I realized I wasn’t even bothering to read the quest text any more since they were so uninteresting.

I think EVE has much more interesting pvp then wow, though the game is so different that it’s hard to make a comparison. Community is much better as well.

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The early days of Guild Wars 1 were superior to WoW in a lot of different areas.

It’s just my opinion

For a while, RIFT for me was superior. I loved that game, it was amazing - unfortunately now it is dead in the water and has no future. I do still play it every now and then, but I would rather play WoW for right now.

Tried that too. I think I gave up because of lag issues (and because I had hit max level where the only thing to earn was cosmetics). I’d be in a fight and suddenly time would rewind several seconds. And this would happen several times in a fight.

100% agree. The class (soul) system fantastic. Being able to create some unique characters. I also thoroughly enjoyed the Elementalist. A rotation of different elemental spells that complimented each other as well as having elemental pets of each type to match.

I also thoroughly enjoyed ESO, shame my wife didn’t. I’ve played ES series since I was a kid. Starting with Morrowind. If she liked it, I wouldn’t honestly be here. Not hating on WoW, I’ve also played WC series since childhood.

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Yeah bad endgame for Aion, the world PVP in the rift thing was boring and dull. Flight was over sold and heavily restricted to the point of being a sucky mechanic.

Korean games always got the first 5 intro zones so well and then always fell apart for their lack of development endgame.

No, I can’t.

WoW is in precisely the same position today that Everquest was back in 2002.

Every MMO does something better than the others, what you like is entirely subjective. GW2 destroys WoW in PVP and adaptive world, BDO destroys WoW in its actual combat and graphics, Aion beat WoW in map design and theme, FF14 wins with story WoW beats all the above with raiding and dungeons and sheer volume of content. Played them all and enjoyed them all.

All the major longstanding MMOs have their good and bad points, none of them are perfect in all areas. If you basically like the genre you will find one where MOST but not all of its features will appeal to you.

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Absolutely. Enjoying an mmo is subjective, not objective. Any mmo could be better than wow (To me).