I’m looking over logs for Horde ST raids, and seeing Shamanistic Rage generating ungodly amounts of mana for the entire raid. Thousands of mana in a single boss encounter. Healers and mages not even using potions at all because of how much free mana they’re getting from Shamans.
Meanwhile in ST, I’m running completely dry (innervate, mana potion) with the boss still at 40% or higher.
This seems wildly unbalanced. Either nerf it or give Paladins an equivalent mana regen mechanic for raids.
How would that be any worse? I’m sure raids are already bringing 3+ shamans anyways and I would gladly take giving horde something like concentration aura for having basically unlimited mana.
Well, it wouldn’t give the whole raid 1500-2500 mana over 15 seconds every minute.
Also, tell your paladins to use martyrdom…the whole raid gets mana back every time they damage themselves- and that’s not on a CD.
Paladins have talented wisdom and seal of martyr. It’s pretty nice. Have minimal raid issues from two paladins with martyr and myself with big wisdom.
Turns out there were differences in things back during era, who knew? That being said I wouldn’t be against more cross over in abilities.
Indeed.
And that remains true in SoD (like Paladin tanks completely negating the tank crunch DPS race of Akumai in phase 1, Horde shammies negating mass poison within the party for ST…)
I don’t recall any demands for Warrior or shaman Bubble to help the raid.
NO! Only Zug brains allowed to have OP broken class. No alliance allowed.
Only zug.
30% spell pushback resistance on group is nowhere near as powerful as restoring 5000+ mana to your entire raid.
Hyper enjoying paladin tank for sure, BFD was a fun time where rules didn’t matter lmao.
I like the way things are unique depending on faction or class. Sometimes those things are total dog-water but I get it (I have opinions on racials but that’s not for today). Paladins bring a surprising amount of regen to the raid passively, super nice to have more options along with utility in a raid.
I will say I dislike the design choices that seem to slant towards certain things. The mass poison removal would be nice to have on both factions, but again, I get it.
This is what I was hoping to see happen in SoD, just craziness with abilities. Not that I think warriors or shamans need a bubble necessarily, just fun stuff.
It’s an absolutely pitiful amount of mana.
The very fact that you’re insisting Martyrdom is anywhere close to Shamanistic Rage tells me that you’re trolling. Shoo.
i’d give shamans starsurge, void plague, and mutilate and it would still be worth to have shammy rage for ally
Curious question though.
How much mana does Judgement of Wisdom grant per to the average player if kept on the boss the entire time? Yes, I know you need to hit the enemy the trigger it, but the point remains.
People constantly asking for homogenization you may as well just have paladins on horde and shamans on alliance at this point they basically do the same stuff
At this point, I just wish they’d do Cowladins and Dwarmans… That way the alliance can figure out just how good Paladin is instead of taking everything for granted and assuming Shamans are a miracle class.
forsaken pally would be kind of cool idk about taurens myself xD
also i would hate to fight a paladin on horde side free/bubble on my bleeds etc partially why i rolled alliance druid tbh
Also the whole raid doesn’t get mana back, its just the party. And its incredibly insignificant.
How much is it?
Because my Shammy rage right now (As enhance) would give everyone in my raid 441 mana each…total
Elementals are likely giving 600 mana over 15 seconds. (I have an elemental set and spec but this topic really isn’t worth going to the trouble of spec switching for the numbers.)
So about 7.5-10 mana per second, when accounting for CD.
bow/judgement of wisdom exists one of your paladins could use that
Its a chance on hit to get roughly 50 mana back on that proc, because it is a chance to proc not a guaranteed on hit regen. It’s not super great compared to the other ways paladins give mana back to the group. Honestly if they removed the proc chance and it was base mana on hit, it would be fine without any other tuning.