Calling this new vanilla "fresh" is 100% wrong

Calling this level 60 release “fresh” is the farthest thing from the truth. There is nothing similar from the 2019 release, and def not the 2004.
Changing the PvP system is one of the worst ideas ever. This will make raiding a complete waste of time.
Keeping the chronoboon THE WORST idea ever. There is absolutely no need for a chronoboon on PvP servers. Pve servers can have a chronoboon since the main focus is PVE. On a pvp server its the most out of touch change ever. If you dont want to lose your buffs from pvp, go to a pve server where you belong.
Banning gdkps is another awful decision. Dictating how we play the game because blizzard is completely incompetent at banning bots is ridiculous.

NO ONE WANTED THIS TRASH VERSION OF “FRESH” AT ALL.

Just wait for more changes coming to this so called “fresh” By allowing some changes, the flood gates are forever open. I can guarantee there will be more changes to this “fresh”

I wouldnt be surprised if raids get sized down to 20.

O well this “fresh” is dead on arrival, its just a bunch of content creators attempting to act hype about it.

RIP original vanilla 11/13/2024

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Ahh just another thread where the OP says a lot of valid things so he can insert this gold selling racket along with them, and have people agree with him in general. Sad!

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i actually dont buy gold. But being told we cant do something? Why is the auction house allowed? Why can player sell items in trade chat? All could be linked to gold buying. I think every gold buyer/seller should be banned 100%, but they wont. and making this change basically saying, botting is fine. its a terrible decision for that reason.

You can’t sell BoPs on the AH because, for one thing, they would demand amounts of gold that make your examples look like a molehill. So let’s not play that game.

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What about super rare boes? Edgemasters? Krol blade at the start. Black lotus?

Anyway, I’m done bumping this recycled, already defeated, GDKP debate. Have fun. And I hope they ban you spammers and your click bait threads all meant to push GDKP when there are already a bunch of threads up for it from other gold sellers and alt accounts with financial incentives to spam.

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Why is the discussion not about bots? Why is gold buying allowed. So advertisers being allowed to spam selling tribute buffs is ok? are they not gold sellers? Why do you only pick 1 example.

What would be wrong with gdkps, if you knew 100% no gold buying or selling was happening? i guess you in favor of bots.

Based.

I play on Classic Era and got rank 14 there. Almost all players there have been babied by the following:

  • Simplified ranking, so that anyone can hit rank 14 and skip half the game’s gearing
  • Chronoboons making it so even plebs can get fully world buffed without much risk
  • Enough GDKP/Pug infrastructure such that anyone can get full gear without integrating themselves in the community first by working their way up through a guild
  • Layers making world pvp infinitely less prevalent than it would otherwise be, multiplying server resources n-fold.
  • Bots farming all of the server’s herbs/ore/mats for the general public.

The state of vanilla today is pretty sad, and is a shadow of its 2014-2020 self.

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vanilla used DKP, not GDKP.

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Don’t you mean 16/01/2007?

No i mean that date. That is the date they confirmed never fresh again. Forever will have vanilla with changes from here on out.

Vanilla and Classic aren’t the same thing, Vanilla was over when TBC launched.

hey now, asdfghjk1 through 80 are people too. Okay more like 10 people. But that is still people.

I don’t feel like getting into my specifics but I just wanted to say that I’m incredibly glad that I played at the release of Vanilla and played that a lot and I’m also glad that I really binged on Classic 2019. I have yet to regret spending any of that time. Instead, I am grateful that I spent the time to have the experiences, make the memories and meet the people that I did.

As for this I very want to be super pumped it’s just… maybe too much cynicism over the last year esp since SoD IMO was a total bust. Topped with changes that I know will just not make things as fun for me the first times around. What can you do?

People play this game for pvp? lul

Sad you won’t be there OP.

I will and will love it. Fresh Classic PVP servers are the best wow experience out there.

I am sad i wont be there as well. Chronoboon has no place on a pvp server. Pvp becomes pointless etc. I played era, got 2 rank 14s with new system. It wasnt challenging or anything. If thats how this “fresh” is going to be… I am glad i am missing it.
Glad you will love it though, i obviously dont want anyone to have a bad time.
Just unreal we cant get 1 server with no changes.

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There are plenty of reasons to be out in the world. Without chronoboon people would just log off and not play once buffed.

I likely won’t play much past 60, but will not miss the PvP levelling experience.

These players BELONG on a PVE sever, that simple. Its so dumb to store the buffs and run to raid freely. These guilds should have to fight on their way and defend buffs, if not go pve server.

Well, now they will be on a PvP server dying in the open world.