I’d imagine a Dark Ranger could instantly clock a fake undead.
I imagine the tracks of a Worgen in a zombie suit are going to pretty notably different.
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ahem, I’m a void elf in a zombie suit.
The reason I ask is because of the cut BFA quest where she asks the Alliance to help save Moorgoth. But that never made it to live.
I THINK, and I could be wrong, she recognizes hunters from the order hall. She says the same thing Calia does about not ratting us and she knew we were there to help.
Than you known she explains how some Darkfallen rejoined the alliance and the rest decided to stay with the forsaken,
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People seem to forget Priests can read minds. Hell they can outright control them.
She gives us a letter to bring to the Alliance to get them up to speed with what happens here?! She’s a straight-up double agent. The alliance players don’t get the Caila and Lillian cutscene?
Omg I just spotted a forum poster in the wild! I saw Banshih, hanging out in the Undercity Courtyard.
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It’s my own head canon but I wrote my Worgen as being able to detect the undead via a ‘clean stink’.
Some might have the scent of carrion or the sterile labratory smell of embalming fluid and other chemicals.
But they lacked the other aspects that make up a scent. No sweat, no breath, no hints of the constant digestion the living have. That’s why creatures that rely on smell as a primary vector for perceiving the world, like dogs, are bothered by them. Because theyd be like a vague shape labeled 404 Image Not Found walking up to us.
Presumably a Dark Ranger could detect this as well. The undead have no need to breathe but I see no reason why their noses wouldn’t work if they were still operational physically.
Again 100% head canon there but if Blizz is interested in lifting ideas, there’s one.
Shadows Rising proved that Forsaken do sweat. Sira was sweating and stinking under her heavy armor in Nazmir. Roux wrote that Nathanos wears cologne to hide the smell of death on him. in a Good War, Saurfang comments that Nathanos still smells like a human.
Death Knights can also have bodily fluid as the raunchy book “The Banshee’s favor” implies.
I think my brain repressed that. We sweat to regulate our internal temperatures and as yet another way to excrete chemicals our body can’t find use for.
An undead shouldn’t do this. I could see an undead wearing cologne or perfume for vanity’s sake. I’ve had this character do that for this precise reason.
But an undead sweating is actually dumber than anything the Margrave said.
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I don’t like her letter to Genn, she’s being presumptuous. She’s handing our enemy back land we captured and hinting about a mutual bright future… She’s making a decision for the Forsaken before she’s even had the chance to talk to the Council. 
Oh no… no no no. Ben this is BAD. I know you think she’s being clever but I don’t think so.
Genn was even surprised because he never asked her to do that. She’s been playing both sides, she’s been stoking flame wars. I’m back to being on the fence about her.
I don’t trust Calia Menethil. I’m trusting my gut still.
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Well she doesn’t have the authority to order the Forsaken to do diddily squat. Belmont is the standing commander of their armed forces and did he do anything to make you believe he’d heed a command from Calia?
Most of the Forsaken don’t know who tf she is still. This is the first time we’ve seen her interact with any of them in any facet of the story. I’ve zero reason to believe she could just snap her fingers and make the Forsaken march.
I’ve every reason to believe she’d write a really sweet letter to Genn pretending she can actually do those things though. Because the Forsaken frankly arent in a position to hold territory when their main base of operations on the continent is in shambles.
There’s two explanations;
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Calia deliberately lied as political manipulation
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Blizz is already writing incompatible Forsaken and Worgen stories again
Those are the two options. Take your pick.
Third option is still on the table: she’s a dreadlord.
The Venthyr quest chain told us that the dreadlords have been infiltrating us.
That’s exactly the sort of thing a dreadlord would say…
A dreadlord would absolutely earn the trust of the Forsaken and simultaneously gift the Forsaken land back to their fiercest enemies. Mal’Ganis did warn us we would pay for not siding with him and his brethren.
If Calia conveniently doesn’t talk to the council about why Genn and his Gilnean army come to reclaim thier home during an amistice… Then that’s reigniting a flame war. The Forsaken think the Alliance is taking advantage of their retreat from Silverpine. The Worgen are confused when the Forsaken react hostile because they feel like they have been lured into a Forsaken trap. This is not going to end peacefully.
Thing is though it is news to me the Forsaken controlled Gilneas.
They just said it was Blighted in the Sylvanas novel and the Forsaken had to go into the duck mothering afterlife to go ask Professor Farnsworth for an Anti Plague Plague to fix that in Tirisfal.
So what in God’s name were they using it for?
“Here have this radioactive crater” just is not a concession.
It’s been over 10 years, maybe the blight just dissipated.
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Either way, I’m just not considering it a L to learn the Forsaken lost territory they never previously held.
Again either this is a move of realpolitik by Calia. Or Blizz has already screwed up the story telling once again in pretty much the precise same way they did ten years ago.
If it was B, they should just pretend it was A.
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I’m worried it’s this. There’s no good answer to how the writers consistently blame the Horde for aggression by using clever Alliance propoganda tactics to create cognative dissonance. They did it once with Sylvanas at the Broken Shore, and they are doing it again with Calia. The Forsaken see her one way, the Alliance see her in another way.
Which is the true Calia? the loyal Horde Caila? or the secret Alliance shill Calia?
both Caila’s say she is not “for the Alliance” and in the Alliance quest she does smuggle out secret communication giving something the Alliance want, that’s not hers to give.
I’m happy the Worgen are getting Gilneas back, but I don’t like the underhanded way they got it back. I think I favour the Alliance poster’s sentiment that having Gilneas back doesn’t feel “earned.”
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I’m in a good enough mood to hand waive quite a bit if it means setting things back to some version of a stable status quo.
Please for the love of God stop blowing up Azeroth for a cool trailer then wandering off for years.
Even if it wasn’t they should pretend it was a deception by Calia. Knowing her good reputation she seized on the moment to smooth thing over with Greymane.
She was a Princess raised in the era of the 7 Kingdoms. And not to put too fine a point on it but their job was to appease angry foreign men for the benefit of their father’s kingdom.
It would actually make sense she’d do this.
If Calia is to be the anti Sylvanas the best way she could do it is by being loudly friendly and kinda dumb while being a quiet mastermind.
Certainly worked for Catherine The Great.
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You may be right, but I am fresh off being deceived by Sylvanas, and I’m not going to let it happen to me again.
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Ren. I warned you about her. I’m not warning you about Calia.
Because she’s still mostly a blank slate. They haven’t screwed anything up yet. When I think I see an iceberg don’t worry, I won’t be quiet about it.